Scottish fitba!

This puts Salty in a little bit of a quandry.

Worships Gerrard.
Despises Rangers.

I'm alright, I don't like either.

Not worried by this at all. The guy was a leader on the park captaining both Liverpool and his country so he won't take shit from anyone. He'll have a very wide contact list regards players...we know we won't get 'world class' players coming to the club but I'd imagine with his name he should be able to convince some very decent players to come if he so desires (that's depending obviously on what kind of funding he is given). As I said previously he will have picked up tips from managers he played under and he has coached Liverpool youngsters and may possibly acquire some from there depending on Liverpool's requirements. It's not as if he has had no footballing experience having been at a huge club most of his career. I wish him well and truly hope he succeeds not just for my club but for himself!

Super_horns said:

Be gone next season if they don't come 2nd closer to Celtic or reach a cup final ...

After all that is what Rangers might expect even if it's not realistic?

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Coming 2nd in the current climate (although possibly not this season) is very realistic mate. The points that Rangers have dropped at home this season when they really were expected to win has been deplorable and 'if' they had won these games we would comfortably be in 2nd. A cup final is a lottery as in it depends on how you play in a particular round whereas the league is an endurance test.

Stevencc said:

This puts Salty in a little bit of a quandry.

Worships Gerrard.
Despises Rangers.

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plus the cost of whisky is going up.

Stevencc said:

This puts Salty in a little bit of a quandry.

Worships Gerrard.
Despises Rangers.

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Doesn't phase me a bit, Rangers aren't what they were, they will take at least three seasons to get anywhere near Celtic, and this move is good for Gerrard come what may.

Leo said:

plus the cost of whisky is going up.

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Only the cheap crap is, my malts will still be around the same price thankfully!!

SALTIRE said:

Doesn't phase me a bit, Rangers aren't what they were, they will take at least three seasons to get anywhere near Celtic, and this move is good for Gerrard come what may.

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How'd you work that out? Would you have said the same about Roy Keane and Sunderland in 2006?

Pagnell said:

How'd you work that out? Would you have said the same about Roy Keane and Sunderland in 2006?

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I went into why I thought it would be a good move for him in post #742.

Phew, Dundee almost secure now thanks to the win there, the drop has been too close this season, really hope we don't make so much of an issue of it next term.

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Only the cheap crap is, my malts will still be around the same price thankfully!!

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I realised that but decided not to mention it as it didn't sit satirically enough with my post.....

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Phew, Dundee almost secure now thanks to the win there, the drop has been too close this season, really hope we don't make so much of an issue of it next term.

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Aye, a good and much needed win mate.

Get in Livingston, just hold on now!

And Willow Fud got sent off and was in a right huff going off! Great stuff.

Held on to win 3 - 2, hope they finish the job in the second leg to keep those bloody Arabs where they belong.

Liam_SWFC said:

It'll take years for Rangers to bridge the gap, as said it'll take some shrewd investment. Scottish football really needs them back on level terms because the lack of competition for Celtic is ridiculous now.

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Really? Man City won the league in England before Celtic did in Scotland.

Celtic weren't even the first Scottish team to win the league (that was St. Mirren).

Pagnell said:

How'd you work that out? Would you have said the same about Roy Keane and Sunderland in 2006?

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The Roy Keane comparison is apt. So many people think they will be great managers because of their discipline, achievements etc. but it doesn't really work like that. There is an abundance of empirical studies demonstrating an aggressive managerial style does not work and is actively detrimental, Quite why football doesn't realise this is extraordinary.

Gerrard, and Keane, are clearly neither intelligent nor deep thinkers about the game. There is an interesting hypothesis that less naturally gifted players who 'make it' will become better managers because they have had to think and adapt their game. Guaridola is a perfect example of this, a small slight and slow midfielder who transferred position early on. Xavi or Iniesta might not be bad either. Gerrard, a long term exponent of run hard and kick fast (notorious like Pogba for his poor positioning and lack of tactical discipline) is an accident waiting to happen. I don't know if Phillip Lahm would have any interest in being a coach - he'd be an excellent one.

Never mind whether he is a success or not, still being in the job in January would be utterly astonishing - and worthy of praise in itself.

McCoist, an expert in self humiliation, continued to embarrass himself saying the appointment had put Scottish football back on the map. That's right, a nation with almost 150 years of footballing history, outstanding proportional attendances, needs Gerrard in a brief managerial appointment to give it any kind of attention.

St. Juste said:

Really? Man City won the league in England before Celtic did in Scotland.

Celtic weren't even the first Scottish team to win the league (that was St. Mirren).

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You really should think before you post because as per usual you jump in with both feet and come up with sod all. What, if you had even shown a bit interest, you would have been able to determine was that.....

2012 Celtic
2013 Celtic
2014 Celtic
2015 Celtic
2016 Celtic
2017 Celtic
2018 -Celtic

is what Liam was meaning. Obviously Celtic fans love that and I'm not criticising the club for what they achieved but more serious competition can only benefit our game.
Your second point has absolutely no relevance to the point made but that's you at your best....laughable.

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There is an abundance of empirical studies demonstrating an aggressive managerial style does not work and is actively detrimental, Quite why football doesn't realise this is extraordinary.

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Probably because they haven't got their finger on the pulse of 'How managerial success is achieved' quite like yourself.....

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Gerrard, and Keane, are clearly neither intelligent nor deep thinkers about the game.

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You know that for a fact.....you have evidence that you can produce to back up a quite outstanding claim ? To make a statement about anyone's intelligence or thought process is really something that must be backed up....or perhaps that's just another piece of utter nonsense which you are so fond of littering these pages with!

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Gerrard, a long term exponent of run hard and kick fast (notorious like Pogba for his poor positioning and lack of tactical discipline)

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Yeah, like that's all he had going for him during his distinguished career.....obviously we should simply ignore and dismiss the following.....

TROPHIES:

2 FA Cups: 2001, 2006
3 League Cups: 2001, 2003, 2012
2 FA Community Shields: 2001, 2006
UEFA Champions League: 2005
UEFA Cup: 2001
2 UEFA Super Cups : 2001, 2005

INDIVIDUAL HONOURS:

FWA Footballer of the Year: 2009
PFA Players' Player of the Year: 2006
PFA Young Player of the Year: 2001
2 PFA Fans' Player of the Year : 2001, 2009
7 PFA Team of the Year: 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009
5 Premier League Player of the Month Award: March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009
3 Liverpool Top Goalscorer: 2005, 2006, 2009
Ballon d'Or Bronze Award: 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2005
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2005
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament: 2012
3 UEFA Team of the Year: 2005, 2006, 2007
3 FIFA/FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008, 2009
FA Cup Final Man of the Match: 2006
Goal of the Season: 2006
England Player of the Year: 2007

Not too shabby for someone that according to you was a run hard and kick fast player who was not too good at positioning and really wasn't up on tactical discipline. Oh dear!

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Never mind whether he is a success or not, still being in the job in January would be utterly astonishing - and worthy of praise in itself.

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If this is the case, which I fully expect it to be, I sincerely hope you will be magnanimous enough to return to this thread and bow down and give praise and admit you were wrong.

What a turnaround by Dundee these last two games, clawing out results when they are most needed. Proud of the lads!

Only caught up with Sportscene last night - anyone else see Naismith stamping Scott Brown in the stanes!?!

A very expected post - what's your favourite part?

The assertion that Gerrard didn't have any weaknesses as a player because he scored goal of the season? His lack of positioning and tactical awareness were criticisms made throughout his career by many people. He only had other strengths, as does Pogba, but glaring weaknesses that are obvious even to your armchair football fans.

If you want an example - look at Gerrard and Scott Parker vs. Pirlo in Euro 2012.

As for his lack of intelligence and deep thinking about the game. For both Keane and Gerrard I'm going by what they say, and how they express it. And for the latter, attacking DJs in bars is not something typically done by the intelligentsia. After he left Barcelona and before joining Bayern Guardiola became friends with Garry Kasparov in New York.

What are the chances that Gerrard, Keane (or Leo) even know who Garry Kasparov is?

Not that this is restricted to Gerrard, remember the video of Rooney boxing Bardsley in his home? Being intelligent will mark you out as a footballer, not the other way around.

The 4 year deal will go down as another excellent moment of the banter years. Will Rangers even be able to afford to sack him once he does a John Barnes?

That said - not a terrible result for Rangers away to Aberdeen last night.

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The assertion that Gerrard didn't have any weaknesses as a player because he scored goal of the season? His lack of positioning and tactical awareness were criticisms made throughout his career by many people. He only had other strengths, as does Pogba, but glaring weaknesses that are obvious even to your armchair football fans.

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See, this is what I mean by you not thinking about what you post in response. Please show where I actually said that Gerrard didn't have any weaknesses ? Every player has some form of weakness so Steven Gerrard isn't going to be any different....is he ! My reply was to demonstrate that your dismissal of him, by stating he was simply a run hard and kick fast player, was totally unwarranted due to his career achievements.

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As for his lack of intelligence and deep thinking about the game. For both Keane and Gerrard I'm going by what they say, and how they express it. And for the latter, attacking DJs in bars is not something typically done by the intelligentsia.

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So you have listened to 'sound bite' interviews over the years afforded by both Gerrard and Keane. You are aware that interviews given by players & managers are simply answers to questions and are a million miles away from total reality in as much as the questions are normally unsurprising shite and that the interviewee simply plays the game with the interviewer. I would have thought that someone like yourself who has their 'finger on the pulse' of 'all things football' would have worked that out. By the way....how many interviews have you heard/read given by either. Once again your delusion comes to the fore. (REALITY???? Get ye to the BACK of the queue).

As for the DJ incident you bring up for some (non footballing) reason. If you idiotically believe that having committed an act like that shows a basic lack of overall intelligence and should, in your opinion, categorize Gerrard as a dullard then your reasoning is where your your head normally is.

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What are the chances that Gerrard, Keane (or Leo) even know who Garry Kasparov is?

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What Garry Kasporov has to do with this discussion is a mystery.....a flimsy, farcical comment by yourself and makes you appear in a more capricious manner if that were at all possible. But I'll indulge you.....Of course I know who he is.... Kasparov was wan oh they Ruski astronauts or sumffin! Who wouldn't know that....DUH!!!

I'm not going to waste my time commenting on your Wayne Rooney trivia.

And yes, it wasn't a bad result at all up at Pittodrie.

Rangers fans all over Scotland are spitting out their Irn Bru in disbelief that the board have had the temerity to hire some idiot as manager that probably doesn't even know who Garry Kasparov is.

Protests are planned.

Can't believe I'm arguing as to whether or not Gerrard is intelligent. Do you believe he is? If so, what is your evidence?

I am concerned when my club hires someone who is clearly not intelligent - it has happened a few times.

We do not know the extent of Gerrards responsibilities at the club, but you would expect at a minimum it will involve a modicum of budgeting, planning, training, media management bench marking and analysis. His qualifications for these start and end at his ability to kick a ball (and lead a kids side).

Intelligent people will likely to be quicker to grasp these concepts - I think Lampard would be a far better manager than Gerrard for example.

But nevertheless, Leo seems to think he's a really clever guy so I'll guess we'll leave it at that. I'm quite happy about the appointment, I can see it going all Joey Barton - bragging initially, failing miserably then scuttling off saying it was rubbish anyway.

On a separate note, who was the last good English player (say, international) to be a successful manager? Glenn Hoddle wasn't completely terrible in his short managerial career. Southgate was relegated and then sacked in his only club job. Maybe I'm missing someone obvious?

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Can't believe I'm arguing as to whether or not Gerrard is intelligent. Do you believe he is? If so, what is your evidence?

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I have absolutely no knowledge as to his level of intelligence and have at no time stated this. What I have done is successfully shown your assertions, that he is NOT, to be seriously flawed ipso facto....I have no requirement to produce any evidence. Unlike yourself I have no necessity or desire to try and be something I am not. It really is quite simple but you just cannot grasp that.

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We do not know the extent of Gerrards responsibilities at the club, but you would expect at a minimum it will involve a modicum of budgeting, planning, training, media management bench marking and analysis. His qualifications for these start and end at his ability to kick a ball (and lead a kids side).

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Once again you put assumption foolhardily ahead of knowledge. You know all this for a fact ? Again by making such claims you will have to produce something substantial to indicate your 'insider knowledge', however I have the tiniest inkling that producing such will most certainly be outwith even your 'finger on the pulse' abilities.

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I'm quite happy about the appointment, I can see it going all Joey Barton - bragging initially, failing miserably then scuttling off saying it was rubbish anyway.

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You alluded to this the other day and I commented upon it. A comment which you obviously have no intention of accepting.

St. Juste said:

On a separate note, who was the last good English player (say, international) to be a successful manager? Glenn Hoddle wasn't completely terrible in his short managerial career. Southgate was relegated and then sacked in his only club job. Maybe I'm missing someone obvious??

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More like 'missing something obvious'.....

Quiet end to the season then !


Celtic lost at home and just the 10 goals at Easter Road.

Can't wait to see that 5 - 5 between Hibs and Rangers tonight, woof!

And the Championship/Division 1 play-off final between the Sons of the Rock and the Wasps was pretty dramatic too...

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Can't wait to see that 5 - 5 between Hibs and Rangers tonight, woof!

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Neil Lennon enjoyed himself I think at the end !.

Leo said:

I have absolutely no knowledge as to his level of intelligence and have at no time stated this. What I have done is successfully shown your assertions, that he is NOT, to be seriously flawed ipso facto....I have no requirement to produce any evidence. Unlike yourself I have no necessity or desire to try and be something I am not. It really is quite simple but you just cannot grasp that.

Once again you put assumption foolhardily ahead of knowledge. You know all this for a fact ? Again by making such claims you will have to produce something substantial to indicate your 'insider knowledge', however I have the tiniest inkling that producing such will most certainly be outwith even your 'finger on the pulse' abilities.

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Gerrard has been in the public eye for 20 years making hundreds, if not thousands of interviews in this process.

You might not be able to judge his intelligence at all by this but pretty much everyone else can. Indeed, you can accurately judge intelligence on far less information.

Do you think Rooney is intelligent or do you also have no idea? Given he is frequently mocked for being dumb, it's seems you're in the minority of "I just don't know".

Do you think Ibrahimovic is arrogant?

Of course you can judge Gerrards intelligence from his actions and words over the past 20 years.

Gerrard isn't unique, most footballers are quite dim for a number of reasons. Not least money and fortune at a young age will discourage studying. Indeed, footabllers with any kind of education are lauded as intelligent - https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/57e8a711-c677-4de7-be7c-6afef9fb2c8d

I don't see Gerrard troubling that list. Another good one is Mathieu Flamini who has made great money outside of football.

Rangers getting Lampard would be a far better appointment than Gerrard.

Also the 5-5 was an excellent game, very telling comment by Pat Nevin afterwards about how in England this portrayed SPFL as a "Mickey Mouse league" whilst Spurs beating Leicester 5-4 was hailed as a "thriller".

Some thing never change.

Super_horns said:

Quiet end to the season then !


Celtic lost at home and just the 10 goals at Easter Road.

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Can't wait to see that 5 - 5 between Hibs and Rangers tonight, woof!

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As much as I was disappointed in the result I was much more pissed off at how we defended especially losing the goals that we did but that has really been the story of our season. Having said that it was a bloody brilliant game to watch and I really enjoyed it albeit it didn't go our way....however it would have made no difference if we had won as Aberdeen got the business done at Parkhead. Hey ho....on to next season.

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Neil Lennon enjoyed himself I think at the end !.

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And rightly so.

St. Juste said:

Gerrard has been in the public eye for 20 years making hundreds, if not thousands of interviews in this process.

You might not be able to judge his intelligence at all by this but pretty much everyone else can. Indeed, you can accurately judge intelligence on far less information.

Do you think Rooney is intelligent or do you also have no idea? Given he is frequently mocked for being dumb, it's seems you're in the minority of "I just don't know".

Do you think Ibrahimovic is arrogant?

Of course you can judge Gerrards intelligence from his actions and words over the past 20 years.

Gerrard isn't unique, most footballers are quite dim for a number of reasons. Not least money and fortune at a young age will discourage studying. Indeed, footabllers with any kind of education are lauded as intelligent - https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/57e8a711-c677-4de7-be7c-6afef9fb2c8d

I don't see Gerrard troubling that list. Another good one is Mathieu Flamini who has made great money outside of football.

Rangers getting Lampard would be a far better appointment than Gerrard.

Also the 5-5 was an excellent game, very telling comment by Pat Nevin afterwards about how in England this portrayed SPFL as a "Mickey Mouse league" whilst Spurs beating Leicester 5-4 was hailed as a "thriller".

Some thing never change.

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And how many of these interviews have you watched in depth or indeed watched at ll. I've explained how these TV interviews work and feel no need to repeat myself. You are adamant that Gerrard is unintelligent....I ask you again.....show positive evidence that backs up your claim. You obviously have a preconception about this particular chap so put up or shut up.

Your post is simply a rehash of the previous nonsense you have made, and has been shown up to be such, with another couple of additions....Ibrahimovic, Lampard, Flamini ? Go and take a lie down mate, you are truly losing the plot. Rooney (again)...WHY? These posts are about Gerrard so why you feel the need to deflect by mentioning others only you know but my guess is that you know you're on the run with this and trying like a clingy thing to cling on to some corner of normality.

And your list (I did look at it)....what the hell does that prove.....'Huh...say it again...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!'

I wouldn't give up the day job if I were you....cos psychoanalysis aint your forte.....