Confederate flag protests spread across US

Stevencc · Jun 30, 2015

You've got more FACTS than Rafa Benitez it seems.

johnnytodd · Jun 30, 2015

Stevencc said:
You've got more FACTS than Rafa Benitez it seems.

I've met him and he is a very nice man.

Aber gas · Jul 1, 2015

johnnytodd said:
all facts buddy but it dont sell papers to the pc brigade

No , your misquoting Wikipedia about the Barbary pirate trade in slaves, justifying one vile part of history with another . It's not a competition . But to suggest that black Americans should shut up about slavery because " working in the plantations wasn't as bad as being a galley slave " is ignorant , racist and thick . I think i would have more respect for you if you just came out as proper racist but I doubt you've got the stones for it . I've met sad bastards like yourself all my life so as I said before , get in a bin . :fing:

Red · Jul 5, 2015

The golfer Bubba Watson who owns the General Lee car from the dukes of hazzard has said he is going to have the flag on the roof painted over. Watson said ' I believe all men are created equally '. Again I'll put link up later as I'm posting from my phone

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33393860

Craig · Jul 10, 2015

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33457169

Watson painting over the flag on The Dukes of Hazzard car is daft though.

BigDaveCUFC · Jul 10, 2015

I'm just thankful now that I know we'll have no more gun crime ever in America

Red · Jul 10, 2015

Craig said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33457169

Watson painting over the flag on The Dukes of Hazzard car is daft though.

Good news that the flag is coming down.

pride_of_notts · Jul 10, 2015

It's only one car Dukes of Hazzard used over 200 of them I think something like 20 survived personally I don't see the point of doing it as your basically just throwing away money and there will still be General Lee's out there.

Aber gas · Jul 10, 2015

pride_of_notts said:
It's only one car Dukes of Hazzard used over 200 of them I think something like 20 survived personally I don't see the point of doing it as your basically just throwing away money and there will still be General Lee's out there.

I'd imagine bubba Watson is alright for money tbh

pride_of_notts · Jul 10, 2015

Aber gas said:
I'd imagine bubba Watson is alright for money tbh

I would imagine so but it seems an entirely pointless act and surely he would of knew the meaning behind the confederate flag when he bought the car and as soon as he sells the car no doubt the next person will restore it back to original condition Confederate flag and all.

Aber gas · Jul 10, 2015

pride_of_notts said:
I would imagine so but it seems an entirely pointless act and surely he would of knew the meaning behind the confederate flag when he bought the car and as soon as he sells the car no doubt the next person will restore it back to original condition Confederate flag and all.

I agree with you , just sounds like somebody out for a bit of cheap publicity . If he felt that strongly about it he could've just painted over it and not told anyone . I'm quite a cynical fucker though :bg:

G.B · Jul 11, 2015

cynical girls are a good fuck tbf

silkyman · Jul 15, 2015

pride_of_notts said:
It's only one car Dukes of Hazzard used over 200 of them I think something like 20 survived personally I don't see the point of doing it as your basically just throwing away money and there will still be General Lee's out there.

Perhaps he sees it as symbolic.

BigDaveCUFC · Jul 20, 2015

and in the least surprising move America's big massive so called anti-racism move................brought out the extremist anti black and the extremist Anti white groups together at the weekend to hurl massive abuse at each other and cause big rifts to probably the delight of the media who get some nice stories.

and of course gun laws................still kept very quiet.

Ian_Wrexham · Jul 20, 2015

BigDaveCUFC said:
and in the least surprising move America's big massive so called anti-racism move................brought out the extremist anti black and the extremist Anti white groups together at the weekend to hurl massive abuse at each other and cause big rifts to probably the delight of the media who get some nice stories.

and of course gun laws................still kept very quiet.

By "extremist anti-white groups" you mean people who object to neo-nazis, right?

Aber gas · Jul 20, 2015

BigDaveCUFC said:
and in the least surprising move America's big massive so called anti-racism move................brought out the extremist anti black and the extremist Anti white groups together at the weekend to hurl massive abuse at each other and cause big rifts to probably the delight of the media who get some nice stories.

and of course gun laws................still kept very quiet.

but the extremist groups are still there whether the flag comes down or not . The idea that the confederate flag shouldn't come down because it upsets the kkk / white power is ridiculous , you might as well repeal the entire civil rights legalisation because the far right aren't too keen on that either along with Jews ,gay people , Catholics , Mexicans and women working . I can see it now " better not build a synagogue , don't want to upset the klan " bollocks

BigDaveCUFC · Jul 20, 2015

No I meant the Black Panther group they are as black national as KKK is white national.

and while you may be right Aber, I was moreso highlighting the flag did jack-sh*t to solve racial issues and it was a stupid argument in first place by afew of the old PC brigade.....maybe tackling gun laws and trying to still improve Black rights in America would be better steps forward.

Aber gas · Jul 20, 2015

The flag coming down isn't going to solve racial issues on its own but removing it from public buildings is a symbolic break from the south's history of slavery and racial discrimination . People should be able to go about their lives without seeing a symbol of oppression flying proudly from public buildings in their own country . If the good ol boys want to further wrap themselves in the confederate flag then that is their choice but I hope that in time they would become progressively more marginalised until the only place you will see the flag is museums and possibly lynyrd skynyrd album covers .

Ian_Wrexham · Jul 20, 2015

BigDaveCUFC said:
No I meant the Black Panther group they are as black national as KKK is white national.

and while you may be right Aber, I was moreso highlighting the flag did jack-sh*t to solve racial issues and it was a stupid argument in first place by afew of the old PC brigade.....maybe tackling gun laws and trying to still improve Black rights in America would be better steps forward.

Think you're misunderstanding black nationalism there. It's fundamentally about unity and self-determination and couldn't be more different to the KKK's racial purity and white supremacy.

Plus they gave quite a few Nazis an utter kicking.

Craig · Aug 14, 2015

Someone start a petition, I'll sign later.

BigDaveCUFC · Aug 14, 2015

Ian_Wrexham said:
Think you're misunderstanding black nationalism there. It's fundamentally about unity and self-determination and couldn't be more different to the KKK's racial purity and white supremacy.

Plus they gave quite a few Nazis an utter kicking.

The commission for civil rights calls the Black Panthers a hate group................they call the KKK a hate group..............is the only reason you let one off because one is black hate and other white hate.

BigDaveCUFC · Oct 21, 2015

Did anyone see that programme on the KKK last night on BBC, covering this whole story............makes me happy I don't live in America that country has a lot more sh*t yet to follow.

painted no one in good light at all whether White or Black, from the KKK member who genuinely thought Auschwitz was a Jewish Holiday camp to the poor white woman with a mixed race child being shoved off a black peace protest because she was white.

the biggest worry being both sides very much looking forward to an all out race war to the death

Dr Mantis Toboggan · Oct 21, 2015

we didn't have a race war to the death when kkk membership numbered over 10% of the population in the 20s. we didn't have a race war to the death when the panthers sent an armed group into the california state assembly (which was debating the very legislation allowing loaded firearms in public). and, if we didn't have a race war to the death during the civil war which was almost entirely about race - then i'd argue we probably won't have one now

silkyman · Oct 21, 2015

http://www.cracked.com/video_19568_everything-you-know-about-confederate-flag-wrong.html

Christian Slater · Oct 21, 2015

Imagine being black and having to drive through and live in places named after Confederate personnel, people that started an armed insurrection over keeping them in slavery. Then imagine that ideal being celebrated as heritage.

Dr Mantis Toboggan · Oct 21, 2015

history has been reinvented a great deal in the south in fairness, the civil war is blamed far more on other economic factors. there's this 'myth' that's been promoted in recent years that the south was going to legislate against slavery eventually. evil northerners inventing the 'freeing the slaves' myth in order to steal valuable southern land and shit

Christian Slater · Oct 21, 2015

They do it with religion so I'm not surprised they do the same to excuse their celebration of pro slavery.

Red · Oct 22, 2015

BigDaveCUFC said:
Did anyone see that programme on the KKK last night on BBC, covering this whole story............makes me happy I don't live in America that country has a lot more sh*t yet to follow.

painted no one in good light at all whether White or Black, from the KKK member who genuinely thought Auschwitz was a Jewish Holiday camp to the poor white woman with a mixed race child being shoved off a black peace protest because she was white.

the biggest worry being both sides very much looking forward to an all out race war to the death

I saw it a couple of weeks ago Dave. Depressing stuff, as you say from both sides. If you've seen the Malcolm X film or read his biography you might remember a part where a young white woman came up to him and asked if she could help with the struggle against white oppression. He told her that there was nothing she could do to help. He said that because at the time he was heavily involved in the NOI and saw all white people as white devils. Years later expressed remorse for rejecting her and apologised to the woman. The scene in the BBC documentary where the white woman was very similar and it's regrettable that these people haven't learned from past mistakes.

As for the people in the programme involved in the Klan, you could tell that a lot of them were social misfits looking for a scapegoat because their own lives were so shit.

I'm not too concerned about the supposed race war that both sides cite. It's not going to happen as most sound minded black and white people don't want it. William Luther Pearce wrote the Turner Diaries in 1978 and American neo Nazis have been saying the story will come to be ever since, but it never has and I'm pretty sure never will.

Craig · Oct 22, 2015

These people?

Red · Oct 22, 2015

Craig said:
These people?

Yes, these people as in in militant black people who are separatists and want to instigate a race war. Nutjiobs like the black people involved in the NOI in the 60s

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