6/2/16 Match Thread

Si Robin · Feb 7, 2016

Chris FGR said:
You know what the refs are like in this league, you get booked for sneezing.

One thing Pennock and Day have always talked about and done is encourage good sportsmanship/behaviour, on and off the pitch, but despite this we keep getting loads of cards.

And yeah I would describe all our players as top lads actually, you couldn't meet a nicer bunch off the pitch, great ambassadors for the club in the community.

Who encourages them to jump to the ground the moment another player goes near them then?

Pablosammy · Feb 7, 2016

Chris FGR said:
Maybe, but I think it's more to do with referees having a preconceived idea of what teams are like, based on things like disciplinary records. Because ours has been bad in the past, they seem to be more eager to get the cards out quickly with us whereas opposition teams get away with a lot more.

Jon Parkin is constantly fouled during games and barely gets anything given his way, as does Kurtis Guthrie who usually gets constantly smashed in the back/head going for high balls without ever getting an opponent booked or even getting many free kicks. As soon as he commits a foul, out comes the card.

Continuing to defend the indefensible, I see... :hypo:

FrankTheTank · Feb 7, 2016

Chris FGR said:
Maybe, but I think it's more to do with referees having a preconceived idea of what teams are like, based on things like disciplinary records. Because ours has been bad in the past, they seem to be more eager to get the cards out quickly with us whereas opposition teams get away with a lot more.

Jon Parkin is constantly fouled during games and barely gets anything given his way, as does Kurtis Guthrie who usually gets constantly smashed in the back/head going for high balls without ever getting an opponent booked or even getting many free kicks. As soon as he commits a foul, out comes the card.

Actually Kurtis is the most fouled player in the league. http://www.thenationalleague.org.uk/premier_scene/NationalScene_0402.pdf

Mainly because of the long ball game we deploy and the amount of hang time he gets, he gets clattered in the back of the head numerous times every single game.

For what it's worth I don't think we are any dirtier than most other teams, but do have a big team, physical team so seem to get penalised more frequently for muscling opposing teams off the ball. Wasn't at yesterday's game but it did sound on the commentary like we were committing more deliberate fouls than normal due to frustration at not putting the game to bed in the first half.

FGRJC · Feb 8, 2016

Si Robin said:
Who encourages them to jump to the ground the moment another player goes near them then?

Probably learnt that off Harry Pell

EnglishRed · Feb 8, 2016

Chris FGR said:
And yeah I would describe all our players as top lads actually, you couldn't meet a nicer bunch off the pitch, great ambassadors for the club in the community.

All the farmers and their mums in the Woolpack after a game love the Top Lads.

Its dissapointing that Pennock has decided to take the Stevenage, Crawley, Mansfield route of kicking your way out of the league.

Edit: I suppose its better than Barnet's tactic of knocking it into the box for Akinde to fling himself on the floor and try to get a penalty.Although that worked too.

WokingTillIDiet · Feb 8, 2016

I think "disappointing" is the right word for FGR's attitude. All that money, and yet they choose to play a mind-numbingly dull long-ball game allied to a crude, cynical, overly physical approach. And of course, you don't appoint Jamie Day as assistant manager because you want to play free-flowing football...

CrazyImp · Feb 8, 2016

I'm not one to usually side with the FGR "corridor of personalities" both on the pitch and this forum, but I think a lot of fans in this division would settle for an "up at any cost" mentality, regardless of budget. If they win promotion with an overly physical style, so be it, it's about points on the board. The table after 46 games never lies.

(It's obvious I support a team with Matt Rhead up front, n'est pas?)

Harrier94 · Feb 8, 2016

Don't know whether it's been mentioned before but it probably has. But how can Boreham Wood get away with charging so much for games and on top of that charge £3 to watch the highlights on their website that only last for 7 days?

DarkSithLord · Feb 8, 2016

Harrier94 said:
Don't know whether it's been mentioned before but it probably has. But how can Boreham Wood get away with charging so much for games and on top of that charge £3 to watch the highlights on their website that only last for 7 days?

Scandalous isnt it? Part of the reason why I want them relegated. Dont think anybody would miss them.

Si Robin · Feb 8, 2016

CrazyImp said:
I'm not one to usually side with the FGR "corridor of personalities" both on the pitch and this forum, but I think a lot of fans in this division would settle for an "up at any cost" mentality, regardless of budget. If they win promotion with an overly physical style, so be it, it's about points on the board. The table after 46 games never lies.

(It's obvious I support a team with Matt Rhead up front, n'est pas?)

I agree, we could spend 90 mins kicking the shite out of every other team in the league and win every game 1-0. As long as the team's successful.

I don't get why people hate long ball so much, there's more excitement and entertainment when the ball is pumped forward for players to then play in the opposition's area and attempt to get a goal than spending 10 mins passing the ball no further than 10 yards in the middle third of the pitch (a la The Simpsons episode) back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Penalty area drama, that's what I pay my money for.

EnglishRed · Feb 8, 2016

Direct football, if done well, is effective and can be good to watch.

Long ball football at this level, however, is frequently turgid. Aimless passing in little triangles can be intensely frustrating.

Luke Imp · Feb 8, 2016

Agreed.

I think some people get mixed up with long and direct. I've always gone down the line of long being aimless punts and just smashing the ball up field but direct actually aiming for someone and having some sort of plan with it.

Dagenham, under Still, got labelled long ball but they were a very good direct side. We were labelled long ball under KA but that was far from the truth.

Master D · Feb 8, 2016

Harrier94 said:
Don't know whether it's been mentioned before but it probably has. But how can Boreham Wood get away with charging so much for games and on top of that charge £3 to watch the highlights on their website that only last for 7 days?

And the tin potters try to charge the away teams media to commentate on the match. A nonsense club who need to go back where they came from.

Harrier94 · Feb 8, 2016

Master D said:
And the tin potters try to charge the away teams media to commentate on the match. A nonsense club who need to go back where they came from.

I remember hearing BT Sport were having a lot of issues with them regarding the Highlights show. Probably felt that BT should pay to film each week.

CrazyImp · Feb 8, 2016

I'm not convinced they'll stay up. On paper they have some good players for this division, a lot of them loanees, but they've been down there for too long for it to be coincidence now.

GuiseleySteve · Feb 8, 2016

They can go, Alty and us to survive

yellow · Feb 8, 2016

Nah you can go to, please.

GuiseleySteve · Feb 8, 2016

yellow said:
Nah you can go to, please.

Ok

Son of Cod · Feb 10, 2016

Luke Imp said:
Dagenham, under Still, got labelled long ball but they were a very good direct side. We were labelled long ball under KA but that was far from the truth.

Lincoln under Big Keef were the archetypal long ball team! Sugarcoat it how you like with an overzealous use of the word direct but there's no getting around that mate. Personally, I don't mind a bit of long ball. Sticks it to the tippy tappy hipsters. There aren't too many things as satisfying as a fully functioning big man/fast man strike partnership. I loved it when we had Russell Slade in charge of us playing long ball.

Luke Imp · Feb 10, 2016

His first year and half or so were probably more that way, when our pitch was just sand and divots after admin and we couldn't afford a pitch.

You couldn't exactly smash the ball up field to the likes of Yeo, Gary Taylor-Fletcher (or Gary Fletcher as he was at the time), Franny Green, Paul Smith, Chris Cornelly, Jeff Hughes, Derek Asamoah, Jamie Forrester and the rest of them. Contrary to popular belief around KA sides, we weren't even that big a side. If you look back through them there were always two tall CB's alongside Paul Morgan (Futcher, McCombe, McAuley, Brown etc), a Richard Butcher height player in midfield and one big lad up front like a Marcus Richardson. The rest would struggle to win anything in the air (Marriott, Bailey, Bimson and players mentioned above).

I had tonnes of conversations with him over the years about people who called him a long ball manager or us a long ball team. He obviously didn't agree with it and called it direct. We were hardly Wimbledon.

I wouldn't have called you long ball under Slade either. But yeah, regardless of what it's called, I like 'up and at 'em' football, too.

The_Boss · Feb 10, 2016

Luke Imp said:
His first year and half or so were probably more that way, when our pitch was just sand and divots after admin and we couldn't afford a pitch.

You couldn't exactly smash the ball up field to the likes of Yeo, Gary Taylor-Fletcher (or Gary Fletcher as he was at the time), Franny Green, Paul Smith, Chris Cornelly, Jeff Hughes, Derek Asamoah, Jamie Forrester and the rest of them. Contrary to popular belief around KA sides, we weren't even that big a side. If you look back through them there were always two tall CB's alongside Paul Morgan (Futcher, McCombe, McAuley, Brown etc), a Richard Butcher height player in midfield and one big lad up front like a Marcus Richardson. The rest would struggle to win anything in the air (Marriott, Bailey, Bimson and players mentioned above).

I had tonnes of conversations with him over the years about people who called him a long ball manager or us a long ball team. He obviously didn't agree with it and called it direct. We were hardly Wimbledon.

I wouldn't have called you long ball under Slade either. But yeah, regardless of what it's called, I like 'up and at 'em' football, too.

Keef's words when in charge at Macc was "whats the point in messing about with it in your own half, my style is to get it forward quickly, win it and then play football in the final third".

Shite to watch in all honesty, but the players always seem to respect him and enjoy playing for the club. Didn't suffer any fools gladly the big man.

les.gtfc · Feb 10, 2016

The_Boss said:
Keef's words when in charge at Macc was "whats the point in messing about with it in your own half, my style is to get it forward quickly, win it and then play football in the final third".

Shite to watch in all honesty, but the players always seem to respect him and enjoy playing for the club. Didn't suffer any fools gladly the big man.

Talking about Big Keef, did you realise that in a few weeks time it will be 6 YEARS since he passed away. Can't quite believe where the time has gone. Saying that, on Friday it will be 8 years since they removed my brain tumour. It's true what they say, the older you get, the quicker the time goes.

Luke Imp · Feb 10, 2016

Not long passed 5 years since Richard Butcher passed away, too.

The_Boss · Feb 10, 2016

les.gtfc said:
Talking about Big Keef, did you realise that in a few weeks time it will be 6 YEARS since he passed away. Can't quite believe where the time has gone. Saying that, on Friday it will be 8 years since they removed my brain tumour. It's true what they say, the older you get, the quicker the time goes.

Luke Imp said:
Not long passed 5 years since Richard Butcher passed away, too.

To be honest I actually thought it was longer than that, Keith especially. Perhaps because so much has happened at the club since (relegation but especially losing Butch as well) makes it seem longer. Two great lower league football men sadly missed.

CrazyImp · Feb 10, 2016

Remember going to the memorial put on at Sincil Bank for Keith when I was 19. Genuinely really, really difficult. So happy to have known a man who gave me many great times in my childhood, devastating that he was taken early. Never been so upset at a non-family member/friend passing.

Will always be a legend in Lincoln, for sure.

FGRJC · Feb 10, 2016

Harrier94 said:
I remember hearing BT Sport were having a lot of issues with them regarding the Highlights show. Probably felt that BT should pay to film each week.

Hopefully they're not charging us to use them as our feeder club!

Shotsfan1993 · Feb 10, 2016

yellow said:
Nah you can go to, please.

GuiseleySteve said:
Ok

No we need Guiseley to stay in the league if only to give us 6 points next season as no matter how badly we are playing we always seem to beat them!

GuiseleySteve · Feb 11, 2016

Shotsfan1993 said:
No we need Guiseley to stay in the league if only to give us 6 points next season as no matter how badly we are playing we always seem to beat them!

Some good news for you, work restarted on the ground improvements yesterday so we should be ok on that front.

Updated: Ground improvements statement - Guiseley AFC
http://guiseleyafc.co.uk/club-news/ground-improvements-statement/

B2TF · Feb 11, 2016

Waste of money. Your going down. :bdick:

GuiseleySteve · Feb 11, 2016

B2TF said:
Waste of money. Your going down.

It's a possibility of course and if it happens fair enough, we've nobody to blame but ourselves. On the other hand we're only two wins from mid table right now and good players returning to fitness so i remain optimistic

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