Unpopular International Football Opinions

Libertadores FC · Aug 27, 2016

I'll start

Chile and Uruguay have a better chance to win the WC than Argentina and Brazil.

MJA · Aug 27, 2016

North American football is better than South American football

epic73 · Aug 27, 2016

The USA will never win the World Cup like everyone (in America) seems to think.

MJA · Aug 27, 2016

epic73 said:
The USA will never win the World Cup like everyone (in America) seems to think.

England will never win the World Cup again like our FA seems to think

Libertadores FC · Aug 27, 2016

epic73 said:
The USA will never win the World Cup like everyone (in America) seems to think.

This. Some of the philosophies in the USA to develop players simply doesn't work in this sport and yet everyone thinks that the USA will be a team that will win the world cup.

MJA · Aug 27, 2016

No North American nation will EVER win the World Cup

Libertadores FC · Aug 27, 2016

MJA said:
No North American nation will EVER win the World Cup

We don't know that, but it certainly won't be in our lifetimes.

The Europeans will continue winning until the AFA and CBF sort themselves out. As I said, in South America the 2 teams with the most chances are Chile and Uruguay, and that's not something you say every day.

MJA · Aug 27, 2016

Libertadores FC said:
We don't know that, but it certainly won't be in our lifetimes.

The Europeans will continue winning until the AFA and CBF sort themselves out. As I said, in South America the 2 teams with the most chances are Chile and Uruguay, and that's not something you say every day.

Nah, Brazil and Argentina will continue to compete on the World stage no matter what is happening within South American football

Libertadores FC · Aug 27, 2016

MJA said:
Nah, Brazil and Argentina will continue to compete on the World stage no matter what is happening within South American football

The thing with Brazil is they're going through a very bad moment. They're in a mess and have less quality than 3 other South American nations, where as Argentina who have the quality keep making baffling decisions in the back hiring the wrong managers and having players not wanting to play for them because of how poorly its ran. That's why Chile's won the last 2 Copa America's. Not only do they have a good generation but overall they're better run than Argentina and Brazil by a mile.

Libertadores FC · Aug 27, 2016

In fact, Brazil might not even be in Russia. So far they've only won 2 games, against Peru and Venezuela at home.

MJA · Aug 27, 2016

Libertadores FC said:
The thing with Brazil is they're going through a very bad moment. They're in a mess and have less quality than 3 other South American nations, where as Argentina who have the quality keep making baffling decisions in the back hiring the wrong managers and having players not wanting to play for them because of how poorly its ran. That's why Chile's won the last 2 Copa America's. Not only do they have a good generation but overall they're better run than Argentina and Brazil by a mile.

I'd love to see other South American nations being top dogs on the world stage but it always seems to be the same 2. Maybe Brazil and Argentina just don't care about the Copa America?

Libertadores FC · Aug 27, 2016

MJA said:
I'd love to see other South American nations being top dogs on the world stage but it always seems to be the same 2. Maybe Brazil and Argentina just don't care about the Copa America?

They do care. Trust me. Brazil is below Uruguay, Chile and Argentina in terms of quality and don't want to hire foreign managers. Unfortunately for them there are no good Brazilian managers. Tite is the best but even I'm not convinced with him as he's made stupid decisions in the Copa Libertadores knockouts with Corinthians in recent years. Brazil may not even qualify for the WC at this rate. They've been awful in the qualifiers.

As for Argentina, they'll be competing but I can't see them winning it. Messi didn't retire from the NT only because he lost finals, another part of the equation is that the AFA is so poorly ran that Messi simply said that he won't play for them. Bauza had to go to Barcelona and convince him to play for Argentina again. They always hire the wrong managers too. A lot of the best Argentinian managers don't want to manage the NT. Martino was a good manager but they hired him in the wrong time when he was burnt out from doing terribly for Barcelona. And Bauza is a good manager, but I can't see his style being a fit for Argentina. Especially in the qualifiers.

Uruguay have a class squad with the best defender and best striker in the world and have several managers who can make them play. Chile don't have quite as good a squad in my opinion but have won the last 2 Copa America's for a good reason.

Leewilson · Aug 27, 2016

Brazil would be fine if they actually picked the right players. Half the time I look at their squad and wonder where 5-6 names are. Then I look at their line up and wonder why 5-6 starters in my mind have been left on the bench.

Libertadores FC · Aug 27, 2016

Lets be fair here, Brazil have quality but its not quality that Brazil should be at.

Brazil should be producing ballon d'or quality strikers and then they present you Fred and Jo at the last World Cup.

Leewilson · Aug 27, 2016

Libertadores FC said:
Lets be fair here, Brazil have quality but its not quality that Brazil should be at.

Brazil should be producing ballon d'or quality strikers and then they present you Fred and Jo at the last World Cup.

Aren't the two Gabriel's coming through meant to be very decent?

You could even put out a European based Brazilian side and it'd be better than some of the shit they've fielded in recent times. Brazil have a lot of good players in Europe, maybe not as many World Class stars as back in the day but certainly enough quality to challenge for major honours. It's the selection policy that baffles me. Just as one example, Paulinho should not be in the squad over Fernandinho.

Libertadores FC · Aug 27, 2016

Leewilson said:
Aren't the two Gabriel's coming through meant to be very decent?

You could even put out a European based Brazilian side and it'd be better than some of the shit they've fielded in recent times. Brazil have a lot of good players in Europe, maybe not as many World Class stars as back in the day but certainly enough quality to challenge for major honours. It's the selection policy that baffles me. Just as one example, Paulinho should not be in the squad over Fernandinho.

I fully agree that this Brazilian squad is good enough to challenge for honours but they insist on the domestic manager policy and that's whats screwing them over. There is literally no good Brazilian manager.

Brazil will be a world class team again in 10 years. They're just going through a rough few years. Look at Germany back in the 1990's compared to Germany now.

Dirk · Aug 28, 2016

Libertadores FC said:
Brazil will be a world class team again in 10 years. They're just going through a rough few years. Look at Germany back in the 1990's compared to Germany now.

That's it. Nearly every of the Top Nations in Football (Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy, Spain) have to go through some rough years, mostly after they'd won a tournament and some of their leading players decide to retire and the youngsters aren't ready yet.
You mentioned Germany in the 1990's. In the 90's we won the World Cup 90, were in the Euro 92 Final and won the Euro 96. Between this were 2 bad World Cups, ´94 and ´98. And the real nadir was 1998-2001. The Euro 2000 saw the worst ever German Team in a tournament with lack of young talent so we had to play with a nearly 40 year old Lothar Matthäus and we had the worst ever Bundestrainer in Erich Ribbeck. After this desastrous Euro 2000 the German FA changed nearly everything, especially the scouting system. And this was the begin of the revival. Although Germany already reached the WC2002 Final (and should've even won against Brazil) this was too early to see the change in style and skills. The first signs of the new German Football were seen at the World Cup 2006 with lots of new young talents (later it was called the begin of the "German Golden Generation" which reached it's peak in 2014 with the World Cup. )

So you see, every Top Nation has some years were they are going to rough times. Mostly it's "only" 4-6 years. In extreme it lasts 10 years (that would be a whole new generation). And if it's the worst case it lasts over 50 years, see England

(SCNR)

In fact, Brazil might not even be in Russia. So far they've only won 2 games, against Peru and Venezuela at home.

Unthinkable for me. Brazil will always qualify no matter how worse it looks (the team). Same for Germany. They are always at the tournaments, the only football nations who never failed to qualify (Germany missed 2 World Cups but not due to not qualifying.
(In 1930 the didn't want to travel to Uruguay for the new tournament due to high costs (Economy crisis) and in 1950 Germany wasn't still allowed to participate in World Football due to World War 2)

Libertadores FC · Aug 28, 2016

Dirk said:
That's it. Nearly every of the Top Nations in Football (Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy, Spain) have to go through some rough years, mostly after they'd won a tournament and some of their leading players decide to retire and the youngsters aren't ready yet.
You mentioned Germany in the 1990's. In the 90's we won the World Cup 90, were in the Euro 92 Final and won the Euro 96. Between this were 2 bad World Cups, ´94 and ´98. And the real nadir was 1998-2001. The Euro 2000 saw the worst ever German Team in a tournament with lack of young talent so we had to play with a nearly 40 year old Lothar Matthäus and we had the worst ever Bundestrainer in Erich Ribbeck. After this desastrous Euro 2000 the German FA changed nearly everything, especially the scouting system. And this was the begin of the revival. Although Germany already reached the WC2002 Final (and should've even won against Brazil) this was too early to see the change in style and skills. The first signs of the new German Football were seen at the World Cup 2006 with lots of new young talents (later it was called the begin of the "German Golden Generation" which reached it's peak in 2014 with the World Cup. )

So you see, every Top Nation has some years were they are going to rough times. Mostly it's "only" 4-6 years. In extreme it lasts 10 years (that would be a whole new generation). And if it's the worst case it lasts over 50 years, see England (SCNR)

Unthinkable for me. Brazil will always qualify no matter how worse it looks (the team). Same for Germany. They are always at the tournaments, the only football nations who never failed to qualify (Germany missed 2 World Cups but not due to not qualifying.
(In 1930 the didn't want to travel to Uruguay for the new tournament due to high costs (Economy crisis) and in 1950 Germany wasn't still allowed to participate in World Football due to World War 2)

Quality post. Like.

The thing with Brazil is that either they will miss out or another good team will. Ecuador and Uruguay look well on their way to Russia. I can't see Argentina not qualifying, so it will be either Chile, Colombia or Brazil to miss out.

As I said though, Brazil will be world class again in 10 years. The football giants never die.

mistermagic · Aug 28, 2016

Libertadores FC said:
We don't know that, but it certainly won't be in our lifetimes.

The Europeans will continue winning until the AFA and CBF sort themselves out. As I said, in South America the 2 teams with the most chances are Chile and Uruguay, and that's not something you say every day.

It is something you posted twice in 17 minutes though.

Iceland are crap.

Libertadores FC · Aug 29, 2016

Just to give you an idea of what the AFA is like...

I'm not sure if this is true but apparently the manager called up 25 players, it was a number around that, and the AFA said no to 17 of the players, so they called up their own list in which the manager knew fuck all about.

Looking at the list, there are some players over 20 playing for big teams that I've never even heard of. I know the entire forward line, Lucas Romero, Giovani Lo Celso, and Geronimo Rulli but the rest I have no clue on. Looking at other players, there was no Emannuel Mammana, Mathias Kranevitter (may have not been eligible), Franco Cervi, Agustin Allione or Jonathan Silva.

Again, I don't know if its true but knowing the AFA it probably is.

epic73 · Aug 30, 2016

Feel like the US might not even qualify for Russia. Format is the top two teams from each of 3 groups go on to a 6-team group where top 3 go through and 4th plays New Zealand.

Right now, the US have lost to Guatemala and failed to score against Trinidad and Tobago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_–_CONCACAF_Fourth_Round#Group_C

Libertadores FC · Aug 30, 2016

epic73 said:
Feel like the US might not even qualify for Russia. Format is the top two teams from each of 3 groups go on to a 6-team group where top 3 go through and 4th plays New Zealand.

Right now, the US have lost to Guatemala and failed to score against Trinidad and Tobago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_–_CONCACAF_Fourth_Round#Group_C

I'm 100% sure you'll be in Russia. If you can beat Paraguay and Ecuador at home, 2 teams better than any other North American side, then you'll have no problem winning your home games.

Also, just a correction the intercontinental playoff is rotated. South America gets New Zealand this time, and you get Asia this time.

mistermagic · Sep 1, 2016

epic73 said:
Feel like the US might not even qualify for Russia. Format is the top two teams from each of 3 groups go on to a 6-team group where top 3 go through and 4th plays New Zealand.

Right now, the US have lost to Guatemala and failed to score against Trinidad and Tobago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_–_CONCACAF_Fourth_Round#Group_C

From my vague recollections, the format has always been like that with USA and Mexico (when Sven wasn't the manager) ripping apart everybody else. You'll be in Russia no problem.

epic73 · Sep 1, 2016

mistermagic said:
From my vague recollections, the format has always been like that with USA and Mexico (when Sven wasn't the manager) ripping apart everybody else. You'll be in Russia no problem.

WE LOST TO GUATEMALA!

mistermagic · Sep 1, 2016

epic73 said:
WE LOST TO GUATEMALA!

Big deal. You'll piss it.

epic73 · Sep 2, 2016

mistermagic said:
Big deal. You'll piss it.

We're playing St Vincent tomorrow. If we lose, do you agree that we will fail, crash, burn, and die?

Dirk · Sep 2, 2016

epic73 said:
We're playing St Vincent tomorrow. If we lose, do you agree that we will fail, crash, burn, and die?

St.Vincent? WTF, never heard of it. Just googled for it and looked at the FiFA Rankings (I know they are shite but just for information about this St.Vincent), they are currently at #156!!!!!! The US currently at #26 lost against Guatemala #82, ok that's embarrassing enough but if they'll lose against this St.Vincent (approx. 25.000 citizens) they should quit playing football.

epic73 · Sep 2, 2016

Dirk said:
St.Vincent? WTF, never heard of it. Just googled for it and looked at the FiFA Rankings (I know they are shite but just for information about this St.Vincent), they are currently at #156!!!!!! The US currently at #26 lost against Guatemala #82, ok that's embarrassing enough but if they'll lose against this St.Vincent (approx. 25.000 citizens) they should quit playing football.

Exactly what I'm saying.

Dirk · Sep 3, 2016

I see that the US Boys won against mighty St.Vincent with 6-0 and two Bundesliga Players scored. Bobby Wood from my HSV and the 17 year old Christian Pulisic from Borussia Dortmund (although no regular yet for Borussia) with 2 goals, he is now even the youngest player ever to score for the US.

So, the US is now 2nd with 10pts behind Trinidad&Tobago (11pts) and has a 3 pts lead (and a +12 better goal difference) to Guatemala. At least they should now advance from this "mighty group"

to the next stage, the final qualification round.

edit: The threadtitle says "Unpopular international football opinions", so I have to write at least something "unpopular". OK, here it is: The US Boys will qualify in the final qualification round. Very unpopular, right?

mistermagic · Sep 3, 2016

epic73 said:
We're playing St Vincent tomorrow. If we lose, do you agree that we will fail, crash, burn, and die?

I do. Too bad you beat them 6-0...

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