Arsene Wenger has confirmed he will leave Arsenal at the end of the season

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Is this the same guy that surrendered a four goal lead with no away goals conceded in the 2nd leg to Barca? If so he sounds perfect for Arsenal.
And Alex Ferguson lost 6-1 to Man City. You can't judge a manager on a single game.

Emery's away record in general with Sevilla was bizarrely poor, 17 wins in 66. Something Arsenal have their own issues with currently. Then his time at PSG was hard to gauge, lost one title to Monaco despite the financial advantage.

It's certainly a less risky choice than throwing Arteta in completely at the deep end, as interesting as that would have been. However there are better reasons to scutinise the appointment beyond 'Johnny Foreigner'.

A fresh start for everyone at the club, and some more balanced investment in that squad this summer, should improve things you'd think.
I'm not sure his time was at PSG "hard to gauge" - it was incredibly successful. Said Monaco team had a clutch of brilliant young players and reached the CL Semi Final.

If that is indeed his away record at Sevilla, two years ago, it didn't impede him doing a fantastic job there winning three consecutive Europa Leagues.

It's a far less risky choice than Arteta who has achieved nothing in football management.

As for scrutiny, Emery is pretty much the best they could get. You could argue the toss over Ancelotti, more accomplished but possibly less interested, but no others.

The better / more accomplished managers than Emery - Zidane, Simeone, Allegri, Guardiola, Mourinho wouldn't take the job.

Is Emery perfect? No. But his record at Sevilla was exceptional in the circumstances, and he had another successful spell at PSG.

It looks very much like Johnny Foreigner snobbery to me - I'm sure his English is better than Paul Mersons.
 

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Yeah, everyone hates the foreign managers in this country. That's why they can't get jobs here.
 

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He reduces every debate to nationality, it's the only terms he seems able to assess the world in.
 

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for all those who believe that Emery is not a good choice ...

Who should have taken Arsenal?
 

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Emery is an excellent appointment, realistically probably the best they could do.

Ancelotti might have taken it but can't see him putting in the same energy towards it.

I can only assume the opposition to Emery is because he's a Johnny Foreigner who has never managed in the EPL before. His record is excellent.
When your squad needs a kick up the arse it's probably best not to hire someone with a track record of letting players walk all over them.
 

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Yeah, everyone hates the foreign managers in this country. That's why they can't get jobs here.
It's why they are criticised when they do.

See Marco Silva and Paul Merson.

Or Richard Keys comments that British coaching is dead.

Or the comments when Pochettino was hired at Southampton.

It puts a target on your back straight away - especially for those moving to English football for the first time.

Do you really think this doesn't happen?

for all those who believe that Emery is not a good choice ...

Who should have taken Arsenal?
Correct, he's pretty much the best they could have got. And if not him, it would be Ancelotti.

When your squad needs a kick up the arse it's probably best not to hire someone with a track record of letting players walk all over them.
Where is the evidence of this? He certainly didn't get on well with some of the egos at PSG.

However, this notion of a single manager enforcing authority over a group of unruly brattish millionaires is decades too old.

Even Ferguson let Cantona and Rooney walk all over to him to a greater extent than anything Emery has done.
 

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You don't recall him caving to Rooneys public pressure on a new massively inflated contract?

As for Cantona - why not read this exchange after the match - http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/lee-...cantona-after-kung/15hjzc2qnz5ws115srb89hpb1l

Of course he treated him completely different to other players, and was willing to put up with awful behaviour because of how important a player Cantona was.

How does that compare to Neymar, or others, walking over Emery?
 

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The best English manager since Bobby is perhaps the most derided & mocked manager there is in big sam - old woy gets hammered too and did you forget the wolly with the brolly? People just like to criticise. Juste old chap - this English thing you've got is all in your head.
 

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The best English manager since Bobby is perhaps the most derided & mocked manager there is in big sam - old woy gets hammered too and did you forget the wolly with the brolly? People just like to criticise. Juste old chap - this English thing you've got is all in your head.
I'm talking about the reception foreign coaches receive when coming to the UK for the first time.

It happened to Silva, it happened to Pochettino, it happened to Wenger, it's happening to Emery.

Are you really saying it's not a factor at all?

Also, British coaches receive far less of this, not necessarily English.

'Big Sam' gets an incredibly easy ride from the media, as did Redknapp. Hodgson has completely rehabilitated his reputation and hardly gets criticised at all.
 

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You don't recall him caving to Rooneys public pressure on a new massively inflated contract?

As for Cantona - why not read this exchange after the match - http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/lee-...cantona-after-kung/15hjzc2qnz5ws115srb89hpb1l

Of course he treated him completely different to other players, and was willing to put up with awful behaviour because of how important a player Cantona was.

How does that compare to Neymar, or others, walking over Emery?
I recall the club deciding to pay Rooney a massive inflated wage but how does that equate to him walking over Ferguson? You think Rudolph gave a shit what the club decided to pay the players he had at his disposal?

As for Cantona, how does Ferguson not sticking their best player on the transfer list equate to allowing him to walk over him? Had the kung fu kick been directed at the manager I think you might have seen a different outcome.

Far be it for me to defend Fergie, but your logic makes no sense. You only need look at what happened to Stam to see what Ferguson could do to a player, regardless of how important they were. But it needed to be personal, and I've no doubt the same would have been applied to Rooney and Cantana had that been the case.
 

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I recall the club deciding to pay Rooney a massive inflated wage but how does that equate to him walking over Ferguson? You think Rudolph gave a shit what the club decided to pay the players he had at his disposal?

As for Cantona, how does Ferguson not sticking their best player on the transfer list equate to allowing him to walk over him? Had the kung fu kick been directed at the manager I think you might have seen a different outcome.

Far be it for me to defend Fergie, but your logic makes no sense. You only need look at what happened to Stam to see what Ferguson could do to a player, regardless of how important they were. But it needed to be personal, and I've no doubt the same would have been applied to Rooney and Cantana had that been the case.
Well, the only way to respond to this would be comparing how Emery had players walk over him.

As for the Cantona story, directly after a game where he kicked a supporter Ferguson criticised other players more and hardly laid a glove on Cantona.

Is Emerys story worse than "Neymar kicked a fan, but afterwards I didn't want to criticise him in the dressing room so went for Dani Alves instead"?

Regarding Rooney, given the very public way the contract negotiation went about - and United caving to it - you could absolutely say he was walked. And of course Ferguson cares what his players are paid - virtually every manager does (it's their budget) and certainly a control freak like Fergie would care.

Of course, this is not to criticise Fergusons management - he did what he thought was best for the club and occasionally that was caving to players (although the Rooney one he got wrong).

It seems some want Emery to stamp his discipline on players like Neymar and Di Maria by forcing them to train with the U14s or something. That's not how football works any more, good managers realised that a long time ago.
 

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I've never known anyone on here like you Hugh. You literally refuse to accept an argumentative standpoint you start a debate on could have flaws, and you will see it through to the bitter end no matter what. It's comical and worthy of a strange kind of admiration in equal measure.
 

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I've never known anyone on here like you Hugh. You literally refuse to accept an argumentative standpoint you start a debate on could have flaws, and you will see it through to the bitter end no matter what. It's comical and worthy of a strange kind of admiration in equal measure.
He doesn't see it through to the bitter end if you can be arsed putting effort into him. Check the last pages of the England thread - he ran and hid.
 

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Of course not, he's scottish!
I could have chosen any manager, they will all have backed down to players on occasion. Or won't be successful managers (Roy Keane maybe?).

I've never known anyone on here like you Hugh. You literally refuse to accept an argumentative standpoint you start a debate on could have flaws, and you will see it through to the bitter end no matter what. It's comical and worthy of a strange kind of admiration in equal measure.
It was in response to players supposedly walking over Emery - until we get more details on this there is not much to respond to.

Every debate, whether from me or someone else, will have flaws. The world is rarely black and white.

g effort into him. Check the last pages of the England thread - he ran and hid.
Probably forget. Which thread is this?
 

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Emery's stint with us is deemed unsuccessful by the awful new generation of PSG fans that revolt me. The ones that pay loads of cash for a routine 5-0 home win and are happy to as long as they can post their bollocks on Facebook/Instagram.

I'm 50/50 on his stint. His first season, he completely ballsed up the league and the CL. Domestically for once we had more than decent competition but failed to keep the title. It shows that we are weak when we have real talent in front of us. The 6-1 rout to Barca never should have happened especially this early in the tournament because we never should have met Barca in the 1st KO stage. We played Arsenal off the park home and away but couldn't beat them (1-1 at home, 2-2 in London). Still we were ahead of them on away goals but couldn't beat fucking Ludogorets at home! For real?
2nd season (the one just past) was a breeze domestically (zzz) but we were quite unlucky in the CL to first get RM and then no Neymar in the return. Still Unai showed his limits in the 2nd leg by not being able to worry Madrid who were playing a very simple 442.

Regarding whether he gets his balls walked on by the dressing room, nobody's quite sure. The PSG manager is in an impossible situation in that he has to please every single player and the board (so Qatar). If there is a problem with a high-profile player he can't not play him in order to assert his authority on said high-profile player. Remember when Serge Aurier called Laurent Blanc a twat on social media but Blanc still played him against Man City in a quarter-final 2 years ago? The manager simply doesn't have a say in the PSG dressing room (SAF never had this problem). Still I reckon, Emery is a much better character than Wenger in that regard. Old man just did slap his players' arse enough (meaning ever) and I hope Emery will be given a free role to do that.

I would have kept on with Emery. He'll always be remembered for losing that game at the Nou Camp but he really should be remembered for playing Barca off the park 4-0 in the 1st leg. Something we never ever would have done under Blanc and something I doubt we'll achieve doing under Tuchel. Apart from the usual suspects, Emery's still one of the best managers around.
 

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People didn't criticise Poch's appointment at Southampton, the criticism was more aimed at the decision to sack Nigel Adkins, which was a very harsh sacking at the time
 

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People didn't criticise Poch's appointment at Southampton, the criticism was more aimed at the decision to sack Nigel Adkins, which was a very harsh sacking at the time
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but woooowweeee what about that hindsight though. Reckon Hull and Spurs might do a swap?
 

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