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  1. Boletus Edulis

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    I am rather hoping for some rational argument.
     

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    Having a huge away end helps though but still decent crowds nevertheless.
     
  3. StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy

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    Well we're going from playing fully fledged internationals week in week out. To shithouses from Plymouth to Oldham.

    The gulf in class is massive. We've got proven league one quality in the side that's been there and done it multiple times with multiple promotions.

    To think we will simply sit in mid table sell season is bollocks. The likes of Jon Taylor, Anthony Forde, David Ball and Lee Frecklington to just name a few have proved they're too good for this league before.

    Anybody with half decent football knowledge would look at our team and realise that.
     
  4. StevieEvansRedNWhiteArmy

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    I did. I thought anybody with half a brain cell would recognise that.

    Seems not.
     
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    OH MY GOD this thread is hilarious.
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    Think you're being over generous about your rivals.

    Charlton were runaway leaders of league 1 the other year and averaged 17,402.
    Blackburn have similar support to Bolton.
    Bolton had a great season last year finishing 2nd, yet only averaged 14,934.

    If Blackburn and Charlton had new owners and had a good promotion challenging season then both would average around 15K, well short of your predicted 20K+.

    Plymouth haven't averaged 20K for over 60 years.
    Over 10 years ago Argyle won league 1 and only averaged 12,654.
    Can't see them averaging anywhere near 15K no matter what they do in league 1.

    There's only Pompey and Bradford that would have a realistic chance (in a promotion season and if the capacity was increased) of averaging more than 20K in league 1.
     
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    Will someone wash my eyes please? Pretty much everything I've just read is dirt
     
  8. Robie

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    The biggest club is Milton Keynes Dons (18.)
    Closely followed by;
    Scunthorpe Unite (17.)
    Northampton Town (16.)
     
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    Because I'm bored... here's the historical side to this debate:

    League One teams with (the most) FA cup wins:

    Blackburn Rovers - 6
    Portsmouth - 2
    Bury - 2
    Wigan Athletic - 1
    Charlton Athletic - 1
    Bradford City - 1
    Blackpool - 1

    Blackburn the clear winners here

    League One teams with league cup wins

    Oxford United - 1
    Blackburn Rovers 1

    League One teams with most years in the first tier (PL years) - second tiers

    Blackburn Rovers - 72 (18) - 41
    Portsmouth - 33 (7) - 40
    Charlton Athletic - 29 (8) - 45
    Blackpool - 28 (1) - 50
    Bury - 22 (0) - 39
    Oldham Athletic - 12 (3) - 36
    Bradford City - 12 (2) - 29
    Wigan Athletic - 8 (8) - 5
    Oxford United - 3 (0) - 18
    Northampton Town - 1 (0) - 3

    Blackburn again clear winners, most Premier League years with 18, followed by Charlton and Wigan with 8 and Pompey with 7.

    League One clubs that have been in European competitions (no of seasons)

    Blackburn Rovers (7)
    Wigan Athletic (1)
    Portsmouth (1)

    Blackburn again the clear winners


    Looking at these stats, Blackburn are by far the biggest historically, with Rotherham not featuring on any lists.
     
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    We qualified for Europe in '86 but there was a ban on English clubs entering thanks to Heysel.
     
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    Blackburn are definitely the biggest historically.

    I think Pompey and ourselves can be/have been interchangeable over the years but will put them second overall as their two titles pip us although they have had two stints in the bottom division whereas we have never played below the third tier.

    Third is probably about right for us, the rest of you can now argue amongst yourselves :gr:
     
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    As for attendances, if you use a clubs largest average attendance between 1986 and now.. it's as follows:

    Blackburn Rovers - 27,714
    Charlton Athletic - 26,403
    Wigan Athletic - 20,223
    Portsmouth - 20,108
    Bradford City - 18,511
    Plymouth Argyle - 16,420
    Blackpool - 15,775
    Oldham Athletic - 15,087
    Doncaster Rovers - 11,964
    Oxford United - 11,009
    Rotherham United - 10,240
    Southend United - 10,024
    Bristol Rovers - 9,302
    Gillingham - 9,293
    Peterborough United - 9,111
    Walsall - 7,853
    Scunthorpe United - 6,434
    Northampton Town - 6,389
    Bury - 6,177
    Shrewsbury - 5,876
    AFC Wimbledon - 4,477 (18k as WFC)
    Rochdale - 3,556
    Fleetwood Town - 3,522

    Obvious flaws such as PL years giving certain clubs inflated attendances, however as a general table it looks fairly accurate in terms of club size?

    Blackburn again at the top.
     
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    Pretty similar actually, 4 promotions including a title, 5 years in the championship (consecutively) and that play off loss. Only made an area final in the JPT, though we did reach the QFs in the FA cup.
    We also have the all time record for least goals conceded in the 4th tier (95/6).

    Attendances are lower, but your stadium is a new build after all.
     
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    Valid point Boletus, though it still grinds my gears when Welling is placed in SE London in programmes like Homes under the Hammer
     
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    You were 2 divisions higher numbnuts :ffs:
     
  16. Franchisor

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    But there are 24 clubs in League 1, not 23.
     
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    We don't count as we aren't a real club /s
     
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    I keep forgetting
     
  19. Boletus Edulis

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    Don't watch daytime TV then!

    I often get taxi drivers in places like Yorkshire and London say something like "Plymouth, oh yeah I was down your way last year" "Oh yes, where were you?" says I, knowing what is coming next, "Portsmouth."
     
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    Agreed!

    - and there's a high chance we will average 20,000+ next season, given we've now passed 19,000 ST sales. (Which means it'll beat our average of 18,511 from 2001).

    Only to be bettered by Pompey if they had a capacity to supply demand.

    Charlton and Blackburn are predicted to do well next season, and rightly so - but I see neither averaging 16,000+.

    *also, we've played in Europe, too.
     
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    And we did better than Rangers this season, Just.
     
  22. roversfan2001

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    So basically, we're actually biggest by far? :hesk:
     
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    So science would appear to suggest. However, I'm not sure you've told us how many train stations you have? (I'm waiting to unleash the fact that we have a hovercraft port, which will surely blow Blackburn away.)
     
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    Yes. But it also means you are the biggest failures.

    Keep on eating them chickens!
     
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  25. Boletus Edulis

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    But K-win won't non-league Dover have any even more impressive hovercraft port?
     
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    Very few hovercraft services left, Boletus. Dover hasn't operated one since 2000. Their football club wasn't big enough to sustain it apparently.
     
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    Yes the narrative of football clubs and marine craft is a depressing one. We are losing out nuclear subs in a few years.
     
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    Just to be pedantic, I would point out that we've actually qualified for Europe twice.

    The second time in 2010 after losing the final to Chelsea who had already qualified for the champions league. Back in those halcyon days, between being an utter embarrassment to the Premier League, and owned by one of the myriad of dodgy foreign owners (I forget which one), our place was given to Liverpool instead.

    *Edit - + Current reigning Asia Cup Champions (Not been held since)
     
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    I've based Blackburn and Charlton's gates on getting a big uplift after shaking off dodgy owners.

    Plymouth always surprise me. Big city with no other clubs within miles. Big away support. But they just can't seem to be arsed at home.
     
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    I absolutely love the irony of all these clubs scrambling to be acclaimed the biggest.

    Surely, being the biggest club in L1 also means that you are the most underperforming club, relative to size. So carry on chums...keep admitting how rubbish you are.


    Having said that, I'd forgotten just how utterly tedious the Rotherham fans were. It makes reading Firthy's claptrap worthwhile. Makes you realise just how close to the truth the Python lads were with the Four Yorkshiremen sketch.
     
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