England vs Scotland - World Cup Qualification - 11/11/16

[St. Juste]

When you say most people in Scotland, that'll be most football fans in Scotland. I imagine the vast majority of non-footballing fans up here are even aware of the Bale incident or even know who McGeady and Mccarthy are.
It might just be the work environment I'm in but there's no animosity towards each other when it's Scots/Welsh/Northern Irish. When it's England they all band together forming some sort of celtic brigade to revel in our defeat.

I don't really mind, makes it more interesting for sure and means there's plenty more riding on the game.

Most people in Scotland are football fans, whereas in England cricket and rugby compete in Scotland this really isn't the case. Football is the be all and end all sporting wise - particularly in the central belt. I don't know a single Scottish male who isn't watching the match tonight. The Bale incident, absolutely, but even the most casual of football fans will be aware of the McGeady / McCarthy allegiances, they touch on a whole lot more than football.

Agree with your point on work environment, most Scottish people (myself included) wouldn't say to an Irish / Welsh person they are supporting the opposition, or gloat when they lose, that's restricted to England really.

And to be fair, I think most people quite like to see England lose - look at the Euro wide gloating following the Iceland game. It isn't just restricted to Celts.

Scotland, Wales etc. aren't very important so I imagine very little of Europe will notice / care when we lose.

On a side note, I actually wore a kilt fairly recently at a posh London hotel for an event, two people (not at the event) said they liked the kilt and one other person asked if I worked there

 

[SALTIRE]

I'll try and watch the second half as it's going to be depressing plus I'm busy today then working out tonight also. Good luck to the lads, we'll need it.

 

[Stevencc]

I was asked to wear a kilt to a Scottish wedding once. I refused. I got really drunk and danced the Kaylee though so I think I won them over.

 

[johnnytodd]

I'll try and watch the second half as it's going to be depressing plus I'm busy today then working out tonight also. Good luck to the lads, we'll need it.

thought you supported Spain too?

 

[spireite]

Scotland care a hell of a lot more about this 'rivalry' than we do, we're quite apathetic to it these days really (and to be honest, international football in general.. we're tired of playing tepid boring shit football), so I expect the skirt wearing hairy Jacobites to come out kicking and well up for it. We'll have to either match them or maintain a steady cool, moving the ball quickly and staying in control. If we get an early goal I think the Scots heads will go and we might get 3 or 4, but the longer it stays 0-0... they will believe, keep kicking and it could be an embarrassing result, like 1-1 or something

 

[JimJams]

I'd piss myself if we lost.


It's weird how my bladder works.

 

[Dirk]

Scotland care a hell of a lot more about this 'rivalry' than we do, we're quite apathetic to it these days really (and to be honest, international football in general.. we're tired of playing tepid boring shit football)

This will be interesting when I look later in this thread (after watching the Germany match) just to see how apathetic the english members here really are.

This is actually post #67. If it's after the match under #100 you really don't give a shit. If it's over #100 you still have a bit interest (minus the Saltire posts )

 

[spireite]

This will be interesting when I look later in this thread (after watching the Germany match) just to see how apathetic the english members here really are.

This is actually post #67. If it's after the match under #100 you really don't give a shit. If it's over #100 you still have a bit interest (minus the Saltire posts )

It's similar to the England v Germany rivalry. England try to make a thing of it, but Germany don't really give a shit

 

[Dirk]

That's right. England isn't one of our rivals in football, that's Italy, France and the Netherlands

 

[Stevencc]

Your fellow German Mente Captus certainly likes to talk about the England/Germany rivalry and little else in terms of international football so I suspect it's different for everyone.

For me Scotland are far and away our biggest rivals - I'd rather we beat them than anyone else.

I admire the Germans more than anything really, they've produced some fantastic players over the years as well as recently.

 

[Dirk]

Your fellow German Mente Captus certainly likes to talk about the England/Germany rivalry and little else in terms of international football so I suspect it's different for everyone.

Of course it's different for everyone. What I meant is, that England isn't one of our main rivalries in Football (anymore).
Of course, playing against them is a bit more for us than playing against the likes of Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland (no disrespect to them). But if we lose against them (like in March this year) we are not so disappointed as if we lose against Italy and France and the Netherlands (the Quarterfinal victory against Italy after penalties brought tears in the eyes of grown men (like me) because it didn't happen before at tournaments. The loss against France was devastating....and if we ever lose against the Netherlands again (like in 1988)...we will march in again /s)
So, the Germany vs England matches are special for us but not so special as against Italy. Expect a full house at Dortmund next March when we play against each other again (and revenge for the loss in Berlin , although it's only a friendly and we are sometimes a bit "lazy" at friendlies )

 

[mistermagic]

I was at Wembley for the play-off match in 1999 (17 years, where does the time go?) when they beat us 0-1. I was only 15 but I remember it being a fierce atmosphere.

Not sure why I felt the need to type that but there you go.

Laboured 2-0 win tonight.

Remember that game. My uncle recorded it for me. Was a very good performance from Scotland and a very bad one from England. Quite reminiscent of France/Ireland where the better side stayed at home and the other one went on to have a terrible tournament.

That's right. England isn't one of our rivals in football, that's Italy, France and the Netherlands

Are we rivals? If anything, it's in terms of level of football but aside from that, Italy provides much more hatred than Germany who we more respect (ok fear) than hate.
Felt good to beat you I must admit.

 

[Stevencc]

You'll never lose to us in a meaningful (competition) game so that's partly why you won't ever be too disappointed to lose to us!

Dirk

 

[SALTIRE]

I was asked to wear a kilt to a Scottish wedding once. I refused. I got really drunk and danced the Kaylee though so I think I won them over.

That spelling is appalling, hang your head in shame young man!!

You go out with a Scots lass don't you? Next time you are at a 'do', put one on, you'll fucking love it.

 

[Stevencc]

That spelling is appalling, hang your head in shame young man!!

You go out with a Scots lass don't you? Next time you are at a 'do', put one on, you'll fucking love it.

To be honest I googled it and ceilidh came up and I wasn't sure if that was the actual dance or just a term for a general get together that included the dance so I...guessed! Sounds like I guessed awfully.

My girlfriend is English but her mum, dad and the rest of her family are Scottish so she lived up there for quite a while.

 

[SALTIRE]

To be honest I googled it and ceilidh came up and I wasn't sure if that was the actual dance or just a term for a general get together that included the dance so I...guessed! Sounds like I guessed awfully.

My girlfriend is English but her mum, dad and the rest of her family are Scottish so she lived up there for quite a while.

Ah fair enough Stevie, I thought she was Scottish. Good to see your not mucking about with the bloodline too much.

 

[Stevencc]

Get in, 1-0 Sturridge!

 

[SALTIRE]

Your not exactly bombarding us though.

Griffiths the twat!

 

[Super_horns]

Scotland have had more "chances" but don't look confident in attack..

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

Our backline is horrific. Not sure the midfield is up to much either.

Scotland have done well even if they haven't tested Hart.

 

[Leewilson]

That half has shown just how poor both teams are at present. I'm very disillusioned with us. We were looking a very good side pre World Cup. The tournament disaster has shot their confidence completely.

Scotland are just a very poor side. The fact they have to call Scott Brown out of retirement shows how thin on the ground they are. He should be nowhere near a starting lineup trying to qualify for the World Cup.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Meh. Poor stuff.

A Scotland side with any composure score once or twice that half.

For our part, our reluctance to bring the ball forward into space before hitting a pass does my head in. Why play a pass in space to someone in no space. Better to move fowards with it and pull their midfielders out to create space for someone else before playing it. Basic stuff isn't it.

 

[Modernist]

Keep giving them chances they will score. Our defence is awful, thankfully we rarely play any good teams in the group stages.

 

[SALTIRE]

If England went for it they'd batter us as our defense is even worse than England's.

Still in it however and I won't get worried till Rashford comes on, though we ourselves can do with some pace up top as pressing Stones will yield dividends.

 

[JimJams]

Don't really know why Lallana isn't played in the deeper role he's been excelling at Liverpool in. Then fuck Rooney off for Walcott/Rashface and play with Sterling and Sturridge in a front 3 and wahey, we're away!
But nope.
Anyway it's not been all that bad, just not particularly exciting. Given so many of the England players play a pressing game for their clubs I don't know why we don't do it at International level with players that regularly do so for their clubs.

 

[Pagnell]

We're shit. They're shitter.

Not much more to add to that really.

 

[SALTIRE]

Real chance that damnit.

 

[Pagnell]

Liverpool 2 - Scotland 0

 

[Stevencc]

Liverpool 2 - Scotland 0

Is that you, G-Dragon!?

 

[SALTIRE]

Both Liverpool players as well just need Hendo to finish the job.