Hollywood announce war on Trump SAG Awards turns into a night-long protest

[Carver]

Erm. Yay?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-38760792

That's just crazy hysteria, there is a greater chance of an apocalypse if we let Islamic terrorist groups invade countries with nukes because they'd get hold of them and they'd not even think twice about using them. The only country in the world likely to ever use nukes against another nation right now would be North Korea but even that's a bit of a long shot.

We can trust Trump, he might talk a lot of shit, but he will make the right calls if it comes to it.

 

[Carver]

Which went so well under Bush...

Bush invading Iraq was a terrible decision because they were no threat to the world and they were naïve in thinking once they'd remove Saddam Hussein that everything would be fine, but Obama gave Military weapons to Muslim rebels they didn't even know in Libya and Syria to help their uprisings, maybe some were good people but were they really going to keep the weapons safe and locked away from terrorists like Isis? This is how Isis got it's power and from that they invaded Iraq from Syria and they control parts of Libya too. Maybe If Obama and other Nato pussies had had the guts to take proper action then they could of got rid of Gaddafi themselves and they wouldn't of left a shit load of weapons lying around available for anyone to take.

 

[JaseTheVillain]

Bush invading Iraq was a terrible decision because they were no threat to the world and they were naïve in thinking once they'd remove Saddam Hussein that everything would be fine, but Obama gave Military weapons to Muslim rebels they didn't even know in Libya and Syria to help their uprisings, maybe some were good people but were they really going to keep the weapons safe and locked away from terrorists like Isis? This is how Isis got it's power and from that they invaded Iraq from Syria and they control parts of Libya too. Maybe If Obama and other Nato pussies had had the guts to take proper action then they could of got rid of Gaddafi themselves and they wouldn't of left a shit load of weapons lying around available for anyone to take.

 

[Carver]

Or maybe just not bothered with them at all.

 

[Abertawe]

Carver thinks all this shit is a movie.

 

[silkyman]

That's just crazy hysteria, there is a greater chance of an apocalypse if we let Islamic terrorist groups invade countries with nukes because they'd get hold of them and they'd not even think twice about using them. The only country in the world likely to ever use nukes against another nation right now would be North Korea but even that's a bit of a long shot.

We can trust Trump, he might talk a lot of shit, but he will make the right calls if it comes to it.

Yes. I'm sure we can agree that making an 'anti extremist' task force change to only investigate Islamic extremists, rather than the white christians who kill most people in the USA, in the same week as altering the rules to make it easier for mentally ill people to buy guns is the RIGHT call.

At least Iran is 'On Notice'. That will calm things down. And detaining a former Norwegian prime minister because he went to Iran three years ago, is eminently sensible.

Still, good that he was telling everyone how smart his Muslim ban after someone tried to attack people who had guns with a knife in France. Especially as he came from one of those pesky profitable countries he hasn't banned.

The right call.

 

[Carver]

Carver thinks all this shit is a movie.

At least I contribute to the thread better than you!

 

[Carver]

Yes. I'm sure we can agree that making an 'anti extremist' task force change to only investigate Islamic extremists, rather than the white christians who kill most people in the USA, in the same week as altering the rules to make it easier for mentally ill people to buy guns is the RIGHT call.

At least Iran is 'On Notice'. That will calm things down. And detaining a former Norwegian prime minister because he went to Iran three years ago, is eminently sensible.

Still, good that he was telling everyone how smart his Muslim ban after someone tried to attack people who had guns with a knife in France. Especially as he came from one of those pesky profitable countries he hasn't banned.

The right call.

Well you couldn't do any better, you would cause a world war between atheists and theists with your hostility towards all religion especially Christianity.

We'd win of course because God would be on our side.

 

[sl1k]

I did the religious debate in the religion thread. Can't be bothered to go though it all again only for it to come back to the same old 'ah... But you don't KNOW' crap after 75 pages.

I have zero interest in that debate, not that I can't argue it, but most of the time the wrong questions are asked, irrelevant points are made and the atheist's approach to the argument makes it a tedious af process.

The painfully hilarious hypocracy of throwing words like dogma around is a little amusing tbf, but the novelty wears off quickly. As it does when people struggle to identity it for themselves using that "logic" they love using ever so much. Difficult arguing with people perma-stuck to their enlightened high horses with infinite wisdom, foresight - and [unfortunately] the wrong attitude towards the debate itself.

So no worries mate, I've absolutely no intention to go through 75 pages with anyone here.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

What do you know about my beliefs, geeza? Islam isn't the only lense through which I view the world. There's knowledge all over the planet, interpreted by all different kinds of culture. They're all trying to communicate the same kind of messages, just the emphasis or focus of the message tends to vary depending on the people and society. Muhammad(pbuh) was the final prophet, not the only. It's puzzling it all together - see what fits where and how it can be made relevant today.

I don't need to know anything about your beliefs - that's the point. Human perception varies wildly from person to person and societies and cultures most certainly do not all try to communicate all the same truths. That's why repeatable experimentation and falsifiable theoretical models are the only reliable source of truth in the universe we've ever found. All the obfuscation in the world won't help you substantiate the claim that a prime mover exists because 'muh perception'.

 

[sl1k]

I don't need to know anything about your beliefs - that's the point. Human perception varies wildly from person to person and societies and cultures most certainly do not all try to communicate all the same truths.

Well yeah, that's why there's a 'people of the book thing' in Islam. You see, we all believe in the same one God - because there is only one God worthy of worship. People throughout the world can and do worship anything and everything; from the sun, to nature, djinn, money. This 'worship' can manifest in a number of different ways, but the common denominator is a dedication of focus to 'feed it what it wants/needs' to empower it - for a lack of a better term/description.

To me, atm, based on my [limited] knowledge and life experience (my understanding is a fluid thing, always evolving) the God vs Satan thing represents a battle in a collective consciousness we all share. I'm not for certain when this consciousness started, but I'm presuming it's sometime around the whole Adam and Eve story. So, our spirits are energies that have their own eco system, you may not be aware of it or be able to perceive it - but just because you can't register it using the 5 conventional senses doesn't mean it's not there; like there are singular/seperate (but intertwined at the same time) layers of existence - dimensions let's say.

Now what we do in the physical world, affects all the other dimensions and thus influences the kinds of realities that manifests around us. Every action, thought, emotion - emits energy in to our environment and causes chains of events. For every action, there's a reaction. What goes around, comes around bla bla bla.

I'll also touch on prayer while I'm on the energy thing. I don't pray because God is gonna burn me in hell if I don't, I pray because I benefit from the meditation and the surahs i recite in prayer are sort of like affirmations in my brain processed and embedded through breathing techniques and positions we take up in different stages of the prayer. At the end of it, I'm extremely focused, positive, happy, thoughtful etc etc.

 

[Carver]

I had a miracle happen to me, it's the main reason why I believe in it all.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Well yeah, that's why there's a 'people of the book thing' in Islam. You see, we all believe in the same one God - because there is only one God worthy of worship. People throughout the world can and do worship anything and everything; from the sun, to nature, djinn, money. This 'worship' can manifest in a number of different ways, but the common denominator is a dedication of focus to 'feed it what it wants/needs' to empower it - for a lack of a better term/description.

I don't think that's true though sl1k. It's actually a bit of an anomaly of the Abrahamic religions, if anything. The majority of humanities religions have been polytheistic, largely revolving around a group of characters understood to be capricious cúnts that personify various aspects of nature and are prayed to either to avoid getting smushed by them or to ask for their favour. A lot of the creation mythos from the world's various religions don't even have the gods taking part, or have "gods" at all.

To me, atm, based on my [limited] knowledge and life experience (my understanding is a fluid thing, always evolving) the God vs Satan thing represents a battle in a collective consciousness we all share. I'm not for certain when this consciousness started, but I'm presuming it's sometime around the whole Adam and Eve story. So, our spirits are energies that have their own eco system, you may not be aware of it or be able to perceive it - but just because you can't register it using the 5 conventional senses doesn't mean it's not there; like there are singular/seperate (but intertwined at the same time) layers of existence - dimensions let's say.

Now what we do in the physical world, affects all the other dimensions and thus influences the kinds of realities that manifests around us. Every action, thought, emotion - emits energy in to our environment and causes chains of events. For every action, there's a reaction. What goes around, comes around bla bla bla.

These are largely baselss assertions sl1k. I'm not going to contend what your perceive, my whole point is that it's neither here nor there. What you're talking about amounts to spirituality, subjective truth, it is - by nature - not something you can pluck out of your mind any apply to the rest of the universe as if it were objective truth.

I'll also touch on prayer while I'm on the energy thing. I don't pray because God is gonna burn me in hell if I don't, I pray because I benefit from the meditation and the surahs i recite in prayer are sort of like affirmations in my brain processed and embedded through breathing techniques and positions we take up in different stages of the prayer. At the end of it, I'm extremely focused, positive, happy, thoughtful etc etc.

The practical benefits of prayer and whatnot is a different argument entirely. I'm not actually as anti-religion as I sound when it's kept personal, believing in something clearly helps a lot of people, it's when it makes truth claims about the nature of the universe that it becomes dangerous. I wouldn't even bother with this discussion but for that.

 

[sl1k]

I don't think that's true though sl1k. It's actually a bit of an anomaly of the Abrahamic religions, if anything. The majority of humanities religions have been polytheistic, largely revolving around a group of characters understood to be capricious cúnts that personify various aspects of nature and are prayed to either to avoid getting smushed by them or to ask for their favour. A lot of the creation mythos from the world's various religions don't even have the gods taking part, or have "gods" at all.

There's like a linage of prophets going all the way back to Adam ("people of the book"). Now obviously there have been loads of false prophets, relgions, rituals, beliefs; so ofcourse most of them have nothing to do with each other. I also admittedly don't have the knowledge at hand to disnguish who is who in the history of the entire universe.

These are largely baselss assertions sl1k. I'm not going to contend what your perceive, my whole point is that it's neither here nor there. What you're talking about amounts to spirituality, subjective truth, it is - by nature - not something you can pluck out of your mind any apply to the rest of the universe as if it were objective truth.

I think you're looking at it the wrong way. Here's a couple Einstein quotes I quite like.

“Your question [about God] is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I AM NOT AN ATHEIST. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that SOMEONE MUST HAVE written those books. It does not know WHO OR HOW. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes A DEFINITE PLAN IN THE ARRANGEMENT of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, TOWARD GOD. We see a universe MARVELOUSLY ARRANGED, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the MYSTERIOUS FORCE that sways the constellations.”

"Even though the realms of religion and science in themselves are clearly marked off from each other, nevertheless there exist between the two strong reciprocal relationships and dependencies. Though religion may be that which determines the goal, it has, nevertheless, learned from science, in the broadest sense, what means will contribute to the attainment of the goals it has set up. But science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion. To this there also belongs the faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for the world of existence are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that profound faith. The situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

The practical benefits of prayer and whatnot is a different argument entirely. I'm not actually as anti-religion as I sound when it's kept personal, believing in something clearly helps a lot of people, it's when it makes truth claims about the nature of the universe that it becomes dangerous. I wouldn't even bother with this discussion but for that.

Fair do's.

 

[Red]

So if we criticise any cultures then that makes us racist and sound like Hitler? Even when a culture like Islam is barbaric and Nazi like itself?



Islamic countries impose this thing called Sharia Law, you ever heard of it? I think you should look it up!

If people of Islam got into power then they would impose Sharia Law over here and that would be very very bad news for everyone.

You say that stopping them from coming over here isn't the answer, so what is the answer?



So does that mean they must accept evil cultures as well?

I'm wondering where your understanding of Sharia Law comes from. The Sun, a BF leaflet? There are actually some really good elements to Sharia Law, but needless to say you're not interested in anything that contradicts your warped perception of Islam.

If people of Islam got into power over here? Relax, it's not gong to happen, despite what the BNP are telling you. In fact they'be been predicting a Britain run by Islamists for decades now. It hasn't materialised and never will.

 

[Carver]

I'm wondering where your understanding of Sharia Law comes from. The Sun, a BF leaflet? There are actually some really good elements to Sharia Law, but needless to say you're not interested in anything that contradicts your warped perception of Islam.

If people of Islam got into power over here? Relax, it's not gong to happen, despite what the BNP are telling you. In fact they'be been predicting a Britain run by Islamists for decades now. It hasn't materialised and never will.

So what are these really good elements to Sharia Law that you speak of?

I'm interested to know.

 

[Red]

So what are these really good elements to Sharia Law that you speak of?

I'm interested to know.

Well, one for example is how divorce is dealt with. If both parties agree to divorce they have mechanisms in place whereby its granted without recourse to lengthy and expensive legal procedures.

 

[johnnytodd]

Well, one for example is how divorce is dealt with. If both parties agree to divorce they have mechanisms in place whereby its granted without recourse to lengthy and expensive legal procedures.

don't you mean the 5 parties?

 

[johnnytodd]

here is some great ones Red, you dropped a boo boo here

Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand.
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal".
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.

 

[Captain Scumbag]

A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).

I don't find much wrong with this, and I'm sure anyone who had witnessed Mrs Scumbag's parallel parking 'skills' would agree.

 

[nousername]

Is Trump on to something?

Potential vote winner for someone in Europe...

(Does any Muslim even migrate to Poland...?!)

 

[johnnytodd]

Is Trump on to something?

Potential vote winner for someone in Europe...

(Does any Muslim even migrate to Poland...?!)

according to your chart 9 did

 

[johnnytodd]

It's fair to say Muslims are disliked throughout western Europe, they just can't be trusted. This chart shows that.

Only Jeremy Corbyn, Red and Aber think different.

 

[nousername]

Feeling more confident about my Le Pen bet now anyway!

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

Is Trump on to something?

Potential vote winner for someone in Europe...

(Does any Muslim even migrate to Poland...?!)

Turns out decades of relentless anti-immigrant rhetoric have fostered something of an anti-migrant sentiment. Also muslims have been migrating to (and living in) Poland at least seven hundred of years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipka_Tatars

 

[nousername]

^ Didn't know that, thanks.

Guess I'm just intrigued by Poland and Hungary, who appear to be terrified of an issue that, to the best of my knowledge, doesn't exist...

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

^ Didn't know that, thanks.

Guess I'm just intrigued by Poland and Hungary, who appear to be terrified of an issue that, to the best of my knowledge, doesn't exist...

Sorry, it was a bit of a smart-arse reply given there are only tiny numbers of Lipka Tartars left in Poland. And Hungary, for all its historic Ottoman Turkish influence, only has a tiny Muslim minority. (I've been down an interesting wikipedia rabbit-hole though - there used to be an arabic script for writing Belorussian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarusian_Arabic_alphabet).

I find these sorts of things pretty interesting. Nationalists like to imagine nation-states as historically sharing an ethnic and religious identity, but in fact that's a fairytale. Migration and disaporism always has been the norm.

 

[Red]

here is some great ones Red, you dropped a boo boo here

Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand.
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal".
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.

These sort of posts lack any credibility unless you source them.Not saying it's not factually correct but unless you source them, with a credible source, one can only assume you were sat at your kitchen table in your mustard coloured Y fronts and stained vest making up that list.

 

[johnnytodd]

These sort of posts lack any credibility unless you source them.Not saying it's not factually correct but unless you source them, with a credible source, one can only assume you were sat at your kitchen table in your mustard coloured Y fronts and stained vest making up that list.

Well all i know is my mate was in dodgy hotel in Dubai and he ordered 6 pints and the barman brought 1 at a time.

 

[Red]

Well all i know is my mate was in dodgy hotel in Dubai and he ordered 6 pints and the barman brought 1 at a time.

Why would anyone order 6 pints all in one go? He ought to think himself lucky they didn't cut off his head.