Jose Mourinho to replace LVG as Man U manager?

[Benji]

A team that couldn't even beat Leicester over two legs? They wouldn't have been any trouble for Jose's European Heroes.

Don't be so sure. They were one not-shit kick away from going out to Spain's 13th best team.

 

[Nilsson]

Don't be so sure. They were one not-shit kick away from going out to Spain's 13th best team.

All part of the plan I'm sure.

 

[G.B]

So we're basically back to where we were when we had Suarez, except Klopp is doing it without Suarez. Pretty impressive you have to say, thanks for pointing it out.

That's one way to spin it I suppose mate. Another way would be £175mil spent without any silverware or a title challenge. Brenda managed a title challenge and would have won it if Gerrard didn't let it slip. Does a £175mil outlay justify a win rate increase of 0.5%? Debatable in my humble and always correct opinion. On the other side of the coin Mourinho has spent less than Klopp and won 2 trophies in his first season. But no Liverpool fan on the planet would swap Klopp for the clearly superior manager as you say.

 

[Bilo]

That's one way to spin it I suppose mate. Another way would be £175mil spent without any silverware or a title challenge. Brenda managed a title challenge and would have won it if Gerrard didn't let it slip. Does a £175mil outlay justify a win rate increase of 0.5%? Debatable in my humble and always correct opinion. On the other side of the coin Mourinho has spent less than Klopp and won 2 trophies in his first season. But no Liverpool fan on the planet would swap Klopp for the clearly superior manager as you say.

All a question of perspective isn't it mate.

 

[Pagnell]

That's one way to spin it I suppose mate. Another way would be £175mil spent without any silverware or a title challenge. Brenda managed a title challenge and would have won it if Gerrard didn't let it slip. Does a £175mil outlay justify a win rate increase of 0.5%? Debatable in my humble and always correct opinion. On the other side of the coin Mourinho has spent less than Klopp and won 2 trophies in his first season. But no Liverpool fan on the planet would swap Klopp for the clearly superior manager as you say.

Already discussed GB. Klopp actually has a negative net spend in over 20 months since he arrived, compare that to Mourinho in the 12 months he's been at United.

 

[Stevencc]

That's one way to spin it I suppose mate. Another way would be £175mil spent without any silverware or a title challenge. Brenda managed a title challenge and would have won it if Gerrard didn't let it slip. Does a £175mil outlay justify a win rate increase of 0.5%? Debatable in my humble and always correct opinion. On the other side of the coin Mourinho has spent less than Klopp and won 2 trophies in his first season. But no Liverpool fan on the planet would swap Klopp for the clearly superior manager as you say.

Well said, friend.

 

[Jamie_SFC]

Scraping into the CL by staggering drunkenly over the line in a poor Europa League and they get all Billy big bollocks. Go and spend 600 mill in the window on Griezmann and some other name and you may then move on and get fourth next year. Wish you well.

It's still better than finishing 4th with no cup wins though isn't it?

 

[SALTIRE]

It's still better than finishing 4th with no cup wins though isn't it?

Depends on the priorities. Man Utd's was to win the league this season with all the fanfare they were espousing. Liverpool's priority was top four which was achieved.

 

[G.B]

Already discussed GB. Klopp actually has a negative net spend in over 20 months since he arrived, compare that to Mourinho in the 12 months he's been at United.

Ah net spend, the go to argument for underachieving clubs. Regardless of him selling players he didn't want, he has spent a lot of money to build his team by adding players he does want and has nothing to show for it other than a 0.5% improvement on Rodgers. If you insist I compare that to Mourinho, I can see Jose has won two trophies in half the time after also selling players he didn't want and buying players he does want

 

[G.B]

Depends on the priorities. Man Utd's was to win the league this season with all the fanfare they were espousing. Liverpool's priority was top four which was achieved.

Would you say it's fair to say Swansea had a better season than Man Yoo mate, as they dodged relegation which was the priority while Man Yoo only won 2 trophies and that?

 

[Bilo]

It's still better than finishing 4th with no cup wins though isn't it?

Would you say it's fair to say Swansea had a better season than Man Yoo mate, as they dodged relegation which was the priority while Man Yoo only won 2 trophies and that?

What you two are missing (or perhaps ignoring) is that over the past ten months, we were the better team and the table doesn't lie. United had the more successful season, but at this moment of time we're a better team than them and two trophies doesn't change that. We won the Champions League in 2005 which was an infinitely more successful season than United's, yet nobody could possibly argue we were the better team than them.

And while G.B. is getting twisted regarding net spend and making it sound like Wijnaldum cost as much as Pogba, United have been buying world class players for years now and we haven't bought a single one since 2007 when we bought Torres. Instead, we have regularly been selling them during that time period, whilst United haven't had to let go of a single player they wanted to keep since Ronaldo.

Yet, despite all that, we are the better team. We played fewer games of course but we've had long term injuries to every single one of our key players, including missing Matip for most of January, as we lost Mané for a month and a half disregarding that he missed another month and a half through injury.

Essentially, we've made a lot of progress and United quite simply haven't. The league cup and the Europa league in itself isn't a huge improvement on winning the FA cup, and they moved backwards in the league. Of course every fan in the world would rather win two trophies than none, but the hypothetical question is wrong because had we had United's season, we would be the team who hadn't made any progress in the league (a significantly more accurate quality indicator than all cups combined). United would be the team to have made progress, and we would be the ones playing catchup in the summer.

So, while they go out to have another of their crazy spending sprees this summer and we buy from mid-table Bundesliga, we'll be doing so with less problems to adress than United. They'll be looking to catch us, not the other way around. Trophies aren't necessarily an indicator of quality, and a couple of United fans pretending it is doesn't change that.

Well done on beating Ajax, shame you finished below Arsenal in their worst season in two decades and below us despite matching/breaking our transfer record three times in one summer (amazing how G.B. makes it sound like Klopp and Mourinho had the same financial possibilities, eh).

 

[G.B]

The bitterness is oozing out of the last sentence Beelo mate.

Why would they be looking to catch Liverpool when you achieved far less? You qualified for the CL (as I had the stones to predict btw), and well done to you. Man Yoo equaled that as well as winning two trophies while Liverpool won nowt again despite them also spending loads of money. Imvho Liverpool will be looking to catch Man Yoo by actually winning something next season, that's like the aim of the game and that. But it certainly wont be the league, and Klopp's horrendous record in cup competitions suggests it wont be a cup either.

Just find it interesting that Liverpool have "made a lot of progress" by winning nowt again while Man Yoo have apparently gone backwards despite winning 2 competitions, one of which was extremely important last season (until it was predictably lost of course). Are you backing up my very good and loyal friend Salty's "priorities" argument by missing (or perhaps ignoring) Mourinho's very public declaration that Europe was his priority?

I don't get it me. Perhaps someone can explain. Is failing to win anything better than winning things now or what? Or is it just the case this season cos... reasons and that.

I think my very good and loyal friend Salty should have told the truth and replied to Jamie with a simple "yes" tbh as, outside of some clearly upset Liverpool fans, that is 100% what the rest of the world believes.

 

[Bilo]

You're missing the point by a country mile. Over the course of the season, United won more but we were the better team. You're just finding lots of different ways of saying "United won more trophies than you". The table doesn't lie and I'm sure you agree. In fact, nothing in your post seems to dispute it.

 

[Nilsson]

Bilo seems to be seriously suggesting that a team winning two trophies and guaranteeing a spot in the CL group stages for next season is worse off than a team that finished 4th in their league and have to play a qualifier to get into the CL group stages for next season.

I commend the honourable G.B for trying to enlighten our misguided friend, but I fear his efforts are wasted.

 

[Jamie_SFC]

Bilo I never said you aren't the better team, like you said the League table doesn't lie (although seven points difference doesn't indicate a massive difference in quality). I just said as a neutral that have had a better season than you - same applies to City and Spurs. United's season in the closing months pretty much came down to the Europa League, for English clubs competing in it, it's the best way to qualify for the Champions League other than winning the Premier League.

You lot finishing 4th could be undone early doors next season if you have two poor performances in your qualifier, United don't have to worry about that - They're in.

 

[Bilo]

Bilo seems to be seriously suggesting that a team winning two trophies and guaranteeing a spot in the CL group stages for next season is worse off than a team that finished 4th in their league and have to play a qualifier to get into the CL group stages for next season.

I commend the honourable G.B for trying to enlighten our misguided friend, but I fear his efforts are wasted.

How can you be so incredibly unable to differentiate between a better team and a more successful season? Do you think Birmingham were a better team than Arsenal in 2011 as well?

Bilo I never said you aren't the better team, like you said the League table doesn't lie (although seven points difference doesn't indicate a massive difference in quality). I just said as a neutral that have had a better season than you - same applies to City and Spurs. United's season in the closing months pretty much came down to the Europa League, for English clubs competing in it, it's the best way to qualify for the Champions League other than winning the Premier League.

You lot finishing 4th could be undone early doors next season if you have two poor performances in your qualifier, United don't have to worry about that - They're in.

Yeah, United had the better season. Having said it so many times now, has anyone even disputed it?

 

[Jamie_SFC]

Yeah, United had the better season. Having said it so many times now, has anyone even disputed it?

So what was the point in quoting what I said and pointing out that the table doesn't lie?

 

[Nilsson]

How can you be so incredibly unable to differentiate between a better team and a more successful season? Do you think Birmingham were a better team than Arsenal in 2011 as well?

League position alone doesn't determine the better team, especially when one team had European football to contend with while the other team didn't. United didn't play their best team for any of the last 4 games of the season because winning the Europa League was regarded as an easier route into CL league football at that point, which was proven correct.

 

[G.B]

You must be missing the point Nilsson. The list of names and numbers doesn't tell porkies, despite it being only one of several competitions. It couldn't be that you just don't agree mate. Best of luck catching up to Liverpool next season. Hopefully you can manage to win nowt and have to play a qualifier as well.

 

[Stevencc]

Bilo - "Liverpool have had the better season".

I hope someone set him straight.

 

[Mr. Scruff]

You have to love football fans, had postions been reveresed liverpool and united fans would undoubtedly be arguing the other way and GB would be ripping the piss out of United fans.


But he'd be right to do so and heres why.



Bilo and co and using the old adage ' the table doesn't lie ' to argue definitively Liverpool are better than United right now. But the thing is this statement never had anything so finite to say. Its simply the correct response to anyone who claims that such and such would be more deserving league winners or such and such shouldnt have gone down.


Yes over a 38 game league season the table doesnt indeed lie, yes the fourth place side was better than the sixth whatever pleasure Liverpool fans can get from that they are welcome to. But to draw definitive conclusions like which side is better and which side should be more confident going forward we need to look at the whole picture.

Lets be honest, United despite a truly horrible start were there or there abouts with Liverpool until the fixture and injury pile up at the end of the season. That Swansea game that forced Jose to give up on the league we were playing Blind and Darmian as centre backs ffs. Had we gone out of Europa earlier and not had such appauling luck with injuries when we had the most fixutres things might have been different or we may have still come up short.

The point is that the gap wasnt so significantly large that you can simply ignore Uniteds success in the cups and say there is a gap between the two sides. There isnt. We are more or less at the same point. We both have strengths and major weaknesses which is to our shame given how much money has been spent in these last years but Jose cant change that now.


For what its worth I'd say all members of the top 6 have reasons to be extremely positive going forward despite that at least two of the now big 6 will fail to get in the traditional CLspots and another 3 or 4 wil do nothing of consequence in the cups. The margins are fine and in such a competetive environment fans should be happy with any success they can get.

I think in the modern era fans are way too harsh as to what constitutes failure, Jose, Guardiola and Klopp all have legitimate reasons for their lack of title challenge and all will be fairly satisfied with there season in the end.

 

[JaseTheVillain]

You have to love football fans, had postions been reveresed liverpool and united fans would undoubdedly be arguing the other way and GB would be ripping the piss out of Uniged fans.


But he'd be right to do so and heres why.

Bilo and co and using the old adage ' the table doesn't lie ' to argue definitively Liverpool are better than United right now. But the thing is this statement never had anything sofinite to say. Its simpky the correct response to anyone who claims that such and such woild be more deserving league winners or such and such shouldnt have gone down.

Yes over a 38 game keague season the table doesnt indeed lie, yes 6th was nkt better than fourth whatever pleasure Liverpool fans can get from thst

Had a can, our Scruff?

 

[Mr. Scruff]

Had a can, our Scruff?

Its 10 am here.

No idea, I somehow clicked enter on my tablet before I was even close to finishing.

 

[shane]

Bilo, their manager is a tiresome arsehole and as a team, they're horrific to watch but I'd still rather finish the season with 2 cups and CL qualification than a CL qualifier.

 

[Bilo]

Bilo, their manager is a tiresome arsehole and as a team, they're horrific to watch but I'd still rather finish the season with 2 cups and CL qualification than a CL qualifier.

Oh get fucked you didn't read any of my posts!

Anyway, good post Mr. Scruff . However, you were once a adamant defender of the table doesn't lie back in the day. Remember 08/09 when we had major injuries to all our key players? ;-)

Welcome back anyway!

 

[Bilo]

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/are-united-the-most-successful-team-this-season.429424/

What do you reckon guys?

 

[Stevencc]

No, we are the third most successful team this season.

First are Manchester City for managing to win the league after ten games, second are Chelsea for winning the league after thirty eight games and third are Manchester United for winning the real man's treble™ and guaranteeing themselves a place in the Champions League group stages for next season.

 

[Stocky]

As I said at the start of the season, Mourinho is a born winner. Did anybody really doubt they were going to win that Europa League when the top 4 towel was chucked in?

He's the master.

He's got a huge job on his hands to turn United's League Cup and Europa League into League Titles and having a bash at Champions Legaue's because they're miles behind mentality and talent wise but if anybody can he could.

Klopp would do fuck all. To the Liverpool fan saying United fans would want Klopp. They would. If they were insane. It would be the ultimate white flag.

Klopp will do nothing of note at Anfield, he'll have their fans writing poetry. About it.

 

[SALTIRE]

 

[SALTIRE]

Zlatan gone then.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...rahimovic-leave-manchester-united-no-new-deal