London private school may let boys wear skirts

[Blitzballer]

LOL

 

[Renegade]

Not sure how you can refute that BB, unless you have material to prove that this recent science is bogus. Easier to just say LOL, I suppose.

It's equally wrong to suggest that there are two biological sexes though. Science isn't really able to classify people into male and female - they have a number of different measures, but they don't always stack up nicely. How do you classify someone with male genitals but XX chromosomes? How do you classify someone with both XX and XY chromosomes in different cells?

Here's a paper from Nature from a couple of years ago that argues that no-one is fully male or fully female - but we all exist on a spectrum. It's really worth reading the whole thing, but I've picked out some bits of its conclusion.

Good point. I hadn't actually looked into the latest science behind it (still stuck in 1st year Biology on this topic) as I didn't find it that interesting, I thought it was as simple as sex = XX/XY and gender was more how a person identifies personally/socially. So the former now has some science to back up sexual polymorphism and the latter could never really be argued against because gender was never a term that was rigidly defined...

Cultural Marxism though.

 

[The Eyes of Self Actual]

People need to accept the fact that there are only two genders.

:

You would think so. You are either male or female.

It should be simple.

Yes the left will argue there’s a difference between sex and gender. Gender is how you feel. Note – these feelings can change daily.

Fair enough then, gender is what mood you are in. Or what genre of p0rn you are looking at that evening? Who knows.

Sex though should be male or female.

Again, the weird and wonderful world of the left want to destroy all society norms so that’s not good enough… well it’s not ideal – but please leave the children alone (they wont!).

 

[TheMinsterman]

They'll be letting girls play with legos and become engineers next.

Monsters.

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

You would think so. You are either male or female.

It should be simple.

Yes the left will argue there’s a difference between sex and gender. Gender is how you feel. Note – these feelings can change daily.

Fair enough then, gender is what mood you are in. Or what genre of p0rn you are looking at that evening? Who knows.

Sex though should be male or female.

Again, the weird and wonderful world of the left want to destroy all society norms so that’s not good enough… well it’s not ideal – but please leave the children alone (they wont!).

http://www.onefootballforum.co.uk/i...l-may-let-boys-wear-skirts.15154/#post-616127

 

[Renegade]

http://www.onefootballforum.co.uk/i...l-may-let-boys-wear-skirts.15154/#post-616127

 

[The Eyes of Self Actual]

How do you classify someone with male genitals but XX chromosomes?

You classify them by what genitals they have.

How do you classify someone with both XX and XY chromosomes in different cells?

You classify them by what genitals they have.

Of course the left won't allow this, so they will dig and twist logic until they can say with pride and deluded belief that the little boy over there playing with lego is in fact a female. You know, the one who's just p1ssed in his potty through his penis.

They'll be letting girls play with legos and become engineers next.

Monsters.

Yeah because playing with certain toys is as serious as an issue as giving children hormone blockers and talking to them about removing their genitals.

Let kids be kids. Let them play with toys. Leave their genitals alone (they wont!).

 

[Renegade]

You classify them by what genitals they have.



You classify them by what genitals they have.

Of course the left won't allow this, so they will dig and twist logic until they can say with pride and deluded belief that the little boy over there playing with lego is in fact a female. You know, the one who's just p1ssed in his potty through his penis.



Yeah because playing with certain toys is as serious as an issue as giving children hormone blockers and talking to them about removing their genitals.

Let kids be kids. Let them play with toys. Leave their genitals alone (they wont!).

Read the article Ian linked, the genitalia we can see aren't telling the whole story. There are multiple genetic variables which impact the sexuality and personality of the organisms tested.

By the turn of the millennium, however, the idea of femaleness being a passive default option had been toppled by the discovery of genes that actively promote ovarian development and suppress the testicular programme — such as one called WNT4. XY individuals with extra copies of this gene can develop atypical genitals and gonads, and a rudimentary uterus and Fallopian tubes5. In 2011, researchers showed6 that if another key ovarian gene, RSPO1, is not working normally, it causes XX people to develop an ovotestis — a gonad with areas of both ovarian and testicular development.

These discoveries have pointed to a complex process of sex determination, in which the identity of the gonad emerges from a contest between two opposing networks of gene activity. Changes in the activity or amounts of molecules (such as WNT4) in the networks can tip the balance towards or away from the sex seemingly spelled out by the chromosomes. “It has been, in a sense, a philosophical change in our way of looking at sex; that it's a balance,” says Eric Vilain, a clinician and the director of the Center for Gender-Based Biology at the University of California, Los Angeles. “It's more of a systems-biology view of the world of sex.”

According to some scientists, that balance can shift long after development is over. Studies in mice suggest that the gonad teeters between being male and female throughout life, its identity requiring constant maintenance. In 2009, researchers reported7 deactivating an ovarian gene called Foxl2 in adult female mice; they found that the granulosa cells that support the development of eggs transformed into Sertoli cells, which support sperm development. Two years later, a separate team showed8 the opposite: that inactivating a gene called Dmrt1 could turn adult testicular cells into ovarian ones. “That was the big shock, the fact that it was going on post-natally,” says Vincent Harley, a geneticist who studies gonad development at the MIMR-PHI Institute for Medical Research in Melbourne.

The gonad is not the only source of diversity in sex. A number of DSDs are caused by changes in the machinery that responds to hormonal signals from the gonads and other glands. Complete androgen insensitivity syndrome, or CAIS, for example, arises when a person's cells are deaf to male sex hormones, usually because the receptors that respond to the hormones are not working. People with CAIS have Y chromosomes and internal testes, but their external genitalia are female, and they develop as females at puberty.

A DSD called congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH), for example, causes the body to produce excessive amounts of male sex hormones; XX individuals with this condition are born with ambiguous genitalia (an enlarged clitoris and fused labia that resemble a scrotum). It is usually caused by a severe deficiency in an enzyme called 21-hydroxylase. But women carrying mutations that result in a milder deficiency develop a 'non-classical' form of CAH, which affects about 1 in 1,000 individuals; they may have male-like facial and body hair, irregular periods or fertility problems — or they might have no obvious symptoms at all. Another gene, NR5A1, is currently fascinating researchers because variations in it cause a wide range of effects10, from underdeveloped gonads to mild hypospadias in men, and premature menopause in women.

Many people never discover their condition unless they seek help for infertility, or discover it through some other brush with medicine. Last year, for example, surgeons reported that they had been operating on a hernia in a man, when they discovered that he had a womb. The man was 70, and had fathered four children.

You can't ignore science just because it's inconvenient to your worldview. When science is telling us that we have unique genetic components that form our gonads, that the gonads can often be competing between male and female during the formation of a human-being and that certain gonad/gland formations suppress the effect of hormones which essentially dictate traditional male or female behaviour, we can't be so reductive. Biology is incredibly complex and it is still a relatively nascent science - we haven't even begun to crack some of the most basic human functions (genetic science is just over a century old, the brain is a complete mystery beyond the tracking of basic neural activity and simplistic accounts on the effects of neurotransmitters).

We used to burn witches at the stake, we used to believe mentally ill children were possessed by demons...the evolving study of science disproved a lot of things that used to be considered factual...and it's still evolving. Your method of separating male from female is completely arbitrary, stems from a strict traditional view of sex and is apparently no longer backed up by biology. It's not Cultural Marxism for the human species to attempt to scientifically discover the truth about ourselves and the world around us.

Do you think people would choose such a difficult existence for themselves given the stigma surrounding gender dysphoria? It stands to reason, especially when so many people exhibit gender confusion, that there would be a biological basis for it.

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

You classify them by what genitals they have.

Of course the left won't allow this, so they will dig and twist logic until they can say with pride and deluded belief that the little boy over there playing with lego is in fact a female. You know, the one who's just p1ssed in his potty through his penis.

Yeah because playing with certain toys is as serious as an issue as giving children hormone blockers and talking to them about removing their genitals.

Let kids be kids. Let them play with toys. Leave their genitals alone (they wont!).

And yet the enforcement of a false binary of sex leads to doctors regularly mutilating the genitals of intersex babies (around 1% of babies are affected by this) to make them conform to one or other binary sex.

It's an absolute vicious myth to suggest that children are being told they're transgender because they play with the wrong toys. What's happening is that children who experience acute distress at their assigned genders are being (referred to clinics for support in understanding their own gender identity.

But support for people experiencing dysphoria is really hard to access and gatekept to fuck. It should be much easier for people (adults and kids) who experience gender dysphoria to access support and where necessary medical treatment they need.

 

[Abertawe]

And yet the enforcement of a false binary of sex leads to doctors regularly mutilating the genitals of intersex babies (around 1% of babies are affected by this) to make them conform to one or other binary sex.

It's an absolute vicious myth to suggest that children are being told they're transgender because they play with the wrong toys. What's happening is that children who experience acute distress at their assigned genders are being (referred to clinics for support in understanding their own gender identity.

But support for people experiencing dysphoria is really hard to access and gatekept to fuck. It should be much easier for people (adults and kids) who experience gender dysphoria to access support and where necessary medical treatment they need.

Why the need for medical treatment and isn't that contradictory to the science and the point about gender being a made up construct?

By offering medical treatment you're fuelling an illusion that there is a problem in the first place, based on another illusion, that of set gender. The soul is ones identity and the skin suit you're born into is secondary. We surely can't accept gender to be a flimsy concept but then give carte blanche for people to chase this misconstrued idea. If we flipped it round and gave the soul more importance than the external shell then much of this wouldn't even be an issue.

To a very limited extent OP has a point. Materialism, which utilises media & governments, is creating a whole spectre of issues as a result of cultural manipulation. When people are unconsciously dependent on something that of itself isn't real then it follows the subjects will have ultimately have a crisis of identity.

Those suffering from dysphoria should be worked with to understand that their internal dictates their reality and not the other way around. Chasing after something that isn't real is no cure at all.

 

[TheMinsterman]

Yeah because playing with certain toys is as serious as an issue as giving children hormone blockers and talking to them about removing their genitals.

Let kids be kids. Let them play with toys. Leave their genitals alone (they wont!).

You've made a thread about boys being allowed to wear dresses at one private school, that is equally as trivial as my sarcastic response.

To quote your own mantra, they've decided to allow boys the opportunity to wear dresses (they won't).

The end.

 

[silkyman]

They'll be letting girls play with legos and become engineers next.

Monsters.

Of all the horrors in this thread.... 'Legos'...

 

[Etienne Vermeer]

You wanna talk about parents not leaving their kids genitals alone, we should be talking about circumcision rather than gender dysphoria.

I've still yet to hear a valid reason why anyone would WANT to be transgender. It's a fucking pain.

 

[HertsWolf]

I've still yet to hear a valid reason why anyone would WANT to be transgender. It's a fucking pain.

....and possibly the very best reason why this is something very real for some people and not just something to be categorised (somewhat repetitively) by a poster on this thread as "the left". Does anyone seriously think someone would put up with the shit, the looks, the contempt, the trolling, the verbal abuse for being TG just to make a political point??

 

[Abertawe]

Does anyone seriously think someone would put up with the shit, the looks, the contempt, the trolling, the verbal abuse just to make a political point??

Scumbag revels in it.

 

[smat]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-40364632

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-40364632

CULTURAL MARXISM 1
TRADITIONAL VALUES 0

 

[Red]

People need to accept the fact that there are only two genders. All this gender bending, gender neutral trans-able shit can do one as far as i'm concerned.
And look at this shit I read last week, 5 year old having gender confusion treatment in some trans clinic. Who the fuck puts these pricks in charge
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-39783011?

Gender is a social construct.

 

[T.A]

No homophobic language please.

 

[JaseTheVillain]

I think you broke the thread, TA, it doesn't show up in the News & CA forum main page now.