Safe Standing

[Modernist]

So Celtic have been given the green light to install safe standing area. Great news for scotland I'm sure other clubs will follow in the SPL.

Just a pity we can't do the same south of the boder due to laws we have here.

 

[HertsWolf]

At Maidenhead there's a group of lads who nip out for a McDonalds at half-time as it's so close to the town centre.

At ours, they make them stay in the changing room.

 

[Chris FGR]

Terraces with say 4 or 5 levels between barriers are quite feasible and safe IMO. Maybe you could allocate which terrace section people are in rather than their particular location in it if you needed to work around over-crowding/surging issues.

Don't forget terraces in and of themselves aren't really unsafe. In every incident I am aware of there have been significant other issues which have caused harm.

Absolutely agree with this, to make it worthwhile it would need to be 4 or 5 steps, which would be safe.

The whole debate is stupid anyway, there are plenty of examples in other countries in Europe where proper terraces are perfectly fine, as they are at a number of lower league clubs in this country. As long as it's well stewarded and not over crowded it should be safe enough.

It's also funny how over cautious football in this country is, when crowd control at gigs or festivals is by comparison fairly lax. I've been to plenty of places, such as Download, where you get mosh pits, crowd surges, walls of death etc with very few problems or interventions from security.

If you can get 60,000 rowdy people, a lot of them fuelled up on narcotics, in a sloping field with very few barriers without crushes or injuries i'm sure it should be possible to do it at modern football stadiums.

 

[Habbinalan]

According to the BBC article on it, Grimsby would have to go back to all seater, if they made it to the league, because they've spent more than 3 consecutive years in the second tier.

Which is the grace period for any club after being promoted to the second tier to convert to all seater.

Interesting judgement call from Grimsby.

My understanding is that we are being allowed to build a new terrace at the Abbey on the basis that terraces are allowed in L1 and L2. For Phase 1 of the Abbey re-development (if/when it happens), we'll be replacing our NRE terrace with a much larger terrace to the new specs for "safe standing." It doesn't require rail seats. Perhaps the difference is that we're not all seater currently, we're replacing existing terrace with improved terrace and it's a long time since we were at the 2nd tier.

Other key points are:

1. You can't get a grant for terracing but you can for seating - our fans want terraces and the club wants the extra capacity provided by terraces. We can get the funding by other means.
2. We're hoping that the Championship will have dropped the requirement for all-seaters by the time we're knocking on the door.
3. Standing in seated areas is uncomfortable, unsafe and unfair on kids and short-arses if they have no choice where to "sit/stand." I usually stand but try to avoid blocking someone's view, whilst avoiding proximity to the drum(s).

 

[Gladders]

Interesting judgement call from Grimsby.
Perhaps the difference is that we're not all seater currently, we're replacing existing terrace with improved terrace and it's a long time since we were at the 2nd tier.

That is the difference I believe, we are already all seater and cannot go back to terrace

 

[Southern Shayman]

That is the difference I believe, we are already all seater and cannot go back to terrace

The rule is if you've been an all seater and been in the championship or above I believe.

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

Just incase you were unaware ..... safe standing is not Rail seating..... A good example of modern safe standing is Morecambe terrace behind the goal, basically the crush barrier runs the full length of the terracing