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Scottish fitba!

Discussion in 'Scottish Football' started by SALTIRE, Jan 20, 2015.

  1. SALTIRE

    SALTIRE Slàinte mhath! Staff Member Moderator Site Supporter

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    Aberdeen were excellent and we were woeful. Only watched to 6 - 0 then had to pick someone up so didn't know till I came back that it finished 7! The season is falling apart.
     

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    players betting on football ?....perish the thought!
     
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    Aye, yourself...............off the floor mate.......:whistle:
     
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    SALTIRE Slàinte mhath! Staff Member Moderator Site Supporter

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    It was a shocker and I did drown my sorrows later on, and am feeling very groggy today... :msi:
     
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    Blimey - the trip back for St Johnstone might be a bit quiet.

    2 men sent off for fighting each other then losing in the final minute..
     
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    what I heard from the radio pundits who were at the game was......something happened (unclear) between Ricky Foster & Danny Swanson of Saints seconds before halftime and as they trotted off the park mouthing & gesturing at each other, Foster took a swing at Swanson...missed then slipped then Swanson aimed a kick at Foster's face but not sure if it connected...then apparently a large scale melee took place as everyone went up the tunnel.
     
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    As for Gers game yesterday...1-1 draw at home to Motherwell....not nearly good enough. Wholesale changes will be required during close season.
     
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    Saw that - even the Hamilton players were getting quite involved with one not exactly slow in coming forward to join in.
     
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    Celtic are winning the league today.
     
  10. SALTIRE

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    Even 2nd is a one horse race!
     
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    Well played Celtic on winning the league. No arguments...far and away the best team in Scotland.
     
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    Well, well....didn't see that coming....a three nil victory up at the sheep pen. To say I was surprised would be an understatement. We had a couple of excellent chances in the first half that really should have been put away but it wasn't to be. Basically an even stevens first 45 but Aberdeen upped the ante 2nd half and for a while came at us strongly but the defence held firm then.......................on 79 minutes Kenny Miller scored as good a goal as you will see this season....a shot from the corner of the 18 yard box with the outside of his boot which rocketed into the top left corner of the net. A minute later Miller got his 2nd when he too k advantage of a defensive error and slotted past Lewis then a couple of minutes later Dodoo ran from his own half and scored with a fine shot from the edge of the penalty box. Could have been four shortly afterwards when Dodoo hit the bar and Miller following up headed towards goal but it was kicked off the line. No reason for Gers fans to get carried away but it was a great result on the day nevertheless!
     
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    Aye that's a great win considering the form both teams have been in recently. Still a big gap to claw back on Aberdeen yet though.

    Dundee are now hovering above the relegation places, I thought they were safe a few weeks back, jings!
     
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    Tbh...can't see them taking 2nd spot mate. Hope Dundee stay up....I do have a wee fondness for them.
     
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    Another bad result for Dundee Salty...0-2 at home to Accies.

    Gers got a 2-0 home win against Partick in a run of the mill game. Nowt really to report.
     
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    It's not looking good for Dundee, hitting relegation form at the wrong stage of the season. Think a couple of wins would see them safe, but they can't buy a win just now.
     
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    Scottish Cup semi final time this coming weekend.

    Saturday we have Hibs v Aberdeen & on the Sunday Gers face Celtic. I fancy Hibs to sneak a win against Aberdeen but I fancy this as a BTTS bet. Also fancy Celtic to beat my team (although obviously I hope I am wrong) & think this shall be an over 2.5 bet.

    Wouldn't it be a turn up of the odds if it turned out to be a repeat of last year's final.
     
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    Hibs 2 v 3 Aberdeen. Not a classic but a 'very' entertaining game for the neutral (especially the neutrals who had a tidy BTTS bet on....:bg:). Sheep went 2 goals in front until Lennon made a great sub around 36 minutes & took off Fyvie from midfield (he'd already been booked anyway) and stuck on Holt who within a minute or so had pulled one back for Hibs. McGinn got the equaliser in the 2nd half but late on Aberdeen got lucky with a deflected shot from Hayes which wrong footed Marciano in goals. Thoroughly enjoyed the game............................On to my main interest later today.
     
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    That shot had one hell of a fortunate deflection. Aberdeen got lucky with that one.

    Celtic beating Rangers sets up hopefully a decent final.
     
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    What a gutless, pathetic performance that was yesterday....2-0 going on however many you want. Second half we had chances but failed to convert but in all honesty I doubt if it would have made any difference. Boys against men it was, to the point it was embarrassing. Absolutely no complaints from this corner, the faaaaar superior team gave us a good going over and are deservedly in the final. My only grievance was that Celtic only scored two with the post denying Rogic a third for Celtic in the last minute.......shower of useless bastards......:animatedf:
     
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    32,000 is a bit of a low crowd for Hibs v Aberdeen, isn't it?
     
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    Was about 19.5k Hibs and 12.5k Aberdeen. For a 12.15 ko live on the BBC I don't think they're bad figures at all. It should have been a 5.15 ko if it had to be televised, and that would have added a lot more, especially for Aberdeen. There was only one train that morning that got to Glasgow in time for kick-off, unless you left at 5.30am. Semi finals also don't attract the casual fans, especially on free tv and with midday kick off. Good news it that all 4 sides in the semis get an equal split of both receipts, so everyone gets a quarter of the 85 000 or so people at both games.
     
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    Not particularly. Neither has a great home support, Hibs have an average of just over 15,000 & Aberdeen 12,500. Also I heard on radio with the game being shown live and the early kick off (there being no public transport available to travel from Aberdeen to Glasgow leaving in time for kick off)....well that's the 'reasons' being put forward.

    I'm not surprised in the slightest tbh as, outwith Old firm games, Hampden rarely fills for a semi final. However you can put your mortgage on the fact that Aberdeen will want a 50/50 split with Celtic for the final. The Saturday shoppers will be out in force come the 27th May!
     
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    Well for the League Cup final in November Aberdeen had a 50-50 split with Celtic, and there were only a few hundred of the worst seats unsold. With fewer tickets going to fans for the Scottish Cup final, that following was probably bigger than the allocation they'll get this time. It's a cup final at a neutral ground, of course it should be a 50-50 split of tickets.

    As said earlier, I don't think 12.5k is a bad attendance from Aberdeen for a game 3 hours away at 12pm that's live on free TV, especially as it was pretty tough to get there using public transport. Scottish Cup semi-finals are always much lower than the finals, for obvious reasons.

    For the record, these are the total attendances for Celtic's three (non Rangers) semi-finals this decade:

    2015 - Celtic vs Inverness (28,643)
    2013 - Celtic vs Dundee United (24,828)
    2010- Celtic v Ross County (24,535)

    In that context Hibs taking 20k for a 1-1.5 hour journey is far better than Celtic have managed recently, and Aberdeen is a pretty solid figure considering the time they have to leave, whereas Celtic don't even need to leave Glasgow. There will be plenty of Celtic fans at the final too that don't go anywhere near a semi-final.
     
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    1)....Exactly....That was a 'Final'. And NO it shouldn't be a 50/50 split. Only when both teams have an average home attendance that matches or exceeds whatever a 50/50 allocation would be then and only then should it be a 50/50 split. Reason imo for this is simple. On one hand you have fans who put money into football by going to games week in week out. On the other hand you have Saturday shoppers who because 'their' club is in a final they decide they will go instead of traipsing round Tescos and M & S. So the folk who go every week should be denied a ticket for these once a season wonders?

    2) I did not and am not criticising the size of the Aberdeen support last Saturday.

    3) I did say that Hampden rarely fills for a semi final outwith an Old Firm game by which I meant playing each other. Even with Rangers or Celtic playing any other team the attendance would not reach capacity.

    4) You're way off beam there. You think ALL Celtic fans who are regular attenders come from Glasgow ? Not at all. There are Celtic supporter clubs from all over the UK (and no doubt Eire) who attend every game. As for your comment about Celtic fans who will not have been at the semi going to the final. Tickets from their allocation for the Final will go to fans who are regular attenders (via season tickets and who purchase various cup tickets via an in built scheme) and the club will know who receive the tickets.
     
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    It's a final - a neutral game at a neutral venue, both teams will sell out - it will be a 50-50 split and anything else would be crazy to even consider. Hampden holds 52k, take away corporate/sponsors and split in two and the allocations wont be too much over 20 000. Aberdeen have a higher capacity than this and have sold out for the biggest games in the last few years. They can and will sell out their allocation, so there is no justification for giving their tickets to Celtic.

    There will be more fans wanting to go to a 3pm final than a 12pm semi-final, yes. Incidently, for the last 3pm cup semi-final Aberdeen took 20 000. It's only the recent 12pm TV slot that has seen this figure fall. Last Saturday was actively set-up to promote a TV audience and discourage live fans.

    32k on Saturday was equal to the highest non old-firm semi-final attendance in over 20 years (I haven't seen any older figures) - more than any game involving Rangers or Celtic in that time, for a game in their own City. It's easy to think only two sides exist in Scotland but 32k for a second tier side and one 3 hours away for a noon kick off on free TV is a great figure.

    My point about Celtic's following wasn't that they're all from Glasgow, it was that Celtic consistently attract 20 000 or fewer to semi-finals, which given the advantage of playing in your own city is far less impressive than either Hibs/Aberdeen, yet you want to cut Aberdeen fans at a supposedly neutral game to let more Old Firm fans attend.
     
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    No it certainly would not be crazy to consider the alternative. It doesn't matter what capacity of ground Aberdeen have it is the amount of supporters that go week in week out that matters and as already shown they do not have 20,000 for every home game. The fact that they have sold out for finals is due to what I previously mentioned....supposed fans who go to a final simply because it is a final! Where are they the rest of the season when their club is looking for revenue? I admire the ones that did attend Saturday's semi, good on them but because certain ones (the ones that do not go week in week out) may have attended the semi final should not guarantee a ticket to the final. The fact is that there will be a large amount of 'non regular' Aberdeen fans attending the final (and this is the only reason Aberdeen will sell out their allocation) whilst a large amount of 'regular' Celtic fans will miss out due to this and that imo is totally wrong....these are men and women who actually put their hands in their pockets EVERY week for the football & THAT is the justification why Celtic should have a larger % of the allocation.
     
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    It's a neutral game in a cup competition - you can't give one side an advantage on the basis that one is perceived to have 'better' fans than the other. There is absolutely no chance of even the SFA damaging sporting integrity on the basis of 'Celtic fans deserve to be there more', besides which as per the examples above, they are entirely subjective. Is 19 000 Celtic fans at a semi-final in Glasgow better than 12 50 Aberdeen fans in Glasgow?

    If you do want to go down the quality of fans route then what do you use - just pure number or do you want to consider sectarian charges, banning orders, offensive banners, toilets vandalised, cities vandalised...? The other SFA Cup final this year, the Youth Cup final, has to be played behind closed doors because Rangers and Celtic fans can't be trusted to attend a youth match without causing trouble at it. This is the biggest match most of those players will ever play in their careers, and there will be no atmosphere to enjoy or saviour because of the mentality of Rangers/Celtic fans.

    If you weigh up the damage to the integrity of a neutral game, and the actual basis of what your argument is, you really can't argue for anything other than a 50-50 split, unless you're an old-firm fan.
     
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    It has nothing to do with 'better' fans...it is entirely to do with fans who go week in week out, put their hands in their pockets week in week out. It also has absolutely nothing to do with quality of fans....this is simply a smokescreen used by you in a feeble attempt to discredit ALL fans of both Rangers/Celtic (obviously you are aware that Rangers are not in the final so why you mention them is strange but not surprising) when the vast majority are nothing like what you suggest. Not that it has anything to do with this subject but don't for one moment think that nobody is aware of the scum element that follow Aberdeen (just thought I would add that as you brought the behaviour of Celtic/Gers fans). Sporting integrity ? I laugh at that phrase...it is only trotted out when it suits a given agenda. In this instance sporting integrity would truly be if the football fans that 'actually go to games every week were prioritised over once a season wonders'.....Apart from Old Firm finals Hampden was NEVER a 50/50 split prior to it being made all seater....wonder why eh?
     

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