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[The Eyes of Self Actual]

Secularism isn't about restricting religious freedom to such an extent that it’s only permissible in the privacy of one’s home, preferably with the curtains drawn. It’s about ensuring a separation between organised religion and the state, or at least ensuring the state doesn’t make prejudicial judgements in accordance with religious belief. ?

OK, fair point. Perhaps the terminology I should be using is atheist. Europe is changing from a secular, atheist society into a religious one. I don’t understand why the left is pushing this.

One can debate the extent to which we’ve managed this in Britain (it’s a shoddy work in progress IMO) but what you’re suggesting is just illiberal, autocratic dreck. On steroids.

Well it wouldn’t happen overnight. Stop building new places of worship is a good start.

One of the fundamental freedoms of western liberalism is freedom of assembly. Are you seriously suggesting we toss that idea in the bin

For religious matters yes. It’s not helping society – whichever religion – for youngsters to be forced to listen (get brainwashed & radicalised) by caveman nonsense that never made sense, let alone in today’s society. Make it a private matter.

 

[Abertawe]

Are we counting materialism as a religion?

You're talking about muslims anyway so stop skirting and say it as it is. Most of my mates of islamic heritage aren't all that religious anyway. They will say they are in front of elders but aside from not eating pork they aren't adhering muslims by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Captain Scumbag]

OK, fair point. Perhaps the terminology I should be using is atheist. Europe is changing from a secular, atheist society into a religious one. I don’t understand why the left is pushing this.

I’m not the best representative of “the left” here (my whole shtick is basically arguing with them) but I think their concern is more about opposing irrational anti-Muslim hostilty and prejudice rather than being pro-Islam or pro-religion in any general sense. There is subtle but important difference there that ought to be respected, even if some on “the left” take their cause too far, lose their moral bearings and end up being apologists for all sorts of nonsense. The average lefty-progressive type certainly doesn’t want to live in a theocracy, Islamic or otherwise.

Well it wouldn’t happen overnight. Stop building new places of worship is a good start.

WTF? The logistics aren’t the issue here. I’m questioning whether the idea itself is sensible and morally justifiable, not whether it’s achievable.

For religious matters yes. It’s not helping society – whichever religion – for youngsters to be forced to listen (get brainwashed & radicalised) by caveman nonsense that never made sense, let alone in today’s society. Make it a private matter.

Some of worst atrocities committed in the 20th century were dreamed up by people who had no particular religious bent. Political utopianism can be just as dangerous and destructive as religious fundamentalism, so why not proscribe public political meetings too? If we followed your advice, what precedent is set?

 

[johnnytodd]

I'd say people don't trust Muslims anymore in general.........i mean when do you here of a muslim group outing radicals?

It's a shame because the ones i know are very nice indeed.

 

[Abertawe]

AFCB_Mark TractorBoys Saddlerrad

Why is this allowed to persist?

 

[johnnytodd]

Are we counting materialism as a religion?

You're talking about muslims anyway so stop skirting and say it as it is. Most of my mates of islamic heritage aren't all that religious anyway. They will say they are in front of elders but aside from not eating pork they aren't adhering muslims by any stretch of the imagination.

Mmmm lying to people who are supposed to be in authority....doesn't bode well does it.

 

[silkyman]

Step one is to protect your borders from invasion.

So we have to close the borders to defend England from people born in Kent?

And stop Syrian refugees from coming here because it will somehow stop people from other countries, who came a decade ago?

How does that work, chief?

 

[mowgli]

AFCB_Mark TractorBoys Saddlerrad

Why is this allowed to persist?

I've asked Mark to look at this and await a response but i know he's busy so be patient.

 

[johnnytodd]

I've asked Mark to look at this and await a response but i know he's busy so be patient.

Probably trying to get a doctors appointment.

 

[Carver]

Where is that Swedish guy who posts on here? You know the one who dismisses that there is a problem in Sweden?

These lefties seriously need to get their heads out of the sand.

 

[.V.]

 

[Renegade]

I thought Paul Joseph Watson was taking a break from the forum. He even said he would be on Friday.

"I'm taking a break from coming on here. So ta ta!"

 

[The Eyes of Self Actual]

Just when you thought one attack a week was the new normal.... They are upping the pace. Now the Dortmund attack is being referenced as an Islamic attack.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39575503

 

[johnnytodd]

Just when you thought one attack a week was the new normal.... They are upping the pace. Now the Dortmund attack is being referenced as an Islamic attack.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39575503

what a surprise , lets here this excuse from the sympathisers off here.

 

[markwwfc1992]

also like plastic Liverpool fans have half/half scalves.........mosques should share a christian chuurch and not have there own place.......then the vicar could listen in and catch them planning shit.

 

[Carver]

what a surprise , lets here this excuse from the sympathisers off here.

People like that really do piss me off, it's like they're living in some fantasy land. What do they even get out of it?

You just have to see why there is suddenly terrorist attacks happening across western Europe in places like France, Germany and Sweden that have only started happening in the last couple of years. Before then you never heard of such things.

Thank fuck we're leaving the EU or we'd be getting what happened on Westminster bridge happen here every week.

 

[Stagat]

Thank fuck we're leaving the EU or we'd be getting what happened on Westminster bridge happen here every week.

Hi. It's a terrifying thought and no mistake. Can you please show your working out to how you arrived at such a predicted frequency and how leaving the EU will prevent it.

 

[Carver]

Hi. It's a terrifying thought and no mistake. Can you please show your working out to how you arrived at such a predicted frequency and how leaving the EU will prevent it.

Because leaving the EU will mean we won't have to act like pansies anymore towards people who want to kill us.

 

[Etty Abrics]

Thank fuck we're leaving the EU or we'd be getting what happened on Westminster bridge happen here every week.

 

[Stagat]

Because leaving the EU will mean we won't have to act like pansies anymore towards people who want to kill us.

Hi. How will leaving the EU alter how we deal with people from Kent who want to kill us?

Also can you please tell me how attacks like Westminster bridge would be a weekly occurrence if we don't leave? I wouldn't like to guess a frequency so please let me know how you arrived at your figure.

 

[Carver]

Hi. How will leaving the EU alter how we deal with people from Kent who want to kill us?

Also can you please tell me how attacks like Westminster bridge would be a weekly occurrence if we don't leave? I wouldn't like to guess a frequency so please let me know how you arrived at your figure.

Well we would be letting more and more terrorists in which means more and more attacks, so leaving the EU will let us control who comes into our country more effectively and as for people already living in the UK who commit these atrocities we will be able to be tougher on them if they are the radical type we won't just give them a slap on the wrist. There would be no more of that running to the European Court Of Human Rights for them.

 

[johnnytodd]

Well we would be letting more and more terrorists in which means more and more attacks, so leaving the EU will let us control who comes into our country more effectively and as for people already living in the UK who commit these atrocities we will be able to be tougher on them if they are the radical type we won't just give them a slap on the wrist. There would be no more of that running to the European Court Of Human Rights for them.

 

[Stagat]

Well we would be letting more and more terrorists in which means more and more attacks, so leaving the EU will let us control who comes into our country more effectively and as for people already living in the UK who commit these atrocities we will be able to be tougher on them if they are the radical type we won't just give them a slap on the wrist. There would be no more of that running to the European Court Of Human Rights for them.

Letting more and more terrorists in from Kent? That is our country. How will leaving the EU let us control that more effectively?

If people from Kent do a terrorism, how would you punish them in a way that the European Court of Human Rights doesn't allow?

And are you any closer to presenting the numbers for your Westminster bridge / once a week theory?

 

[johnnytodd]

Letting more and more terrorists in from Kent? That is our country. How will leaving the EU let us control that more effectively?

If people from Kent do a terrorism, how would you punish them in a way that the European Court of Human Rights doesn't allow?

And are you any closer to presenting the numbers for your Westminster bridge / once a week theory?

Your attitude would be very different if it happened to you or your family i'm sure.

 

[Stagat]

Your attitude would be very different if it happened to you or your family i'm sure.

Who can say. If I'm a victim I doubt I'll be able to care. But in the meantime I think it's important to get people to quantify the shit they spout or else shut the fuck up.

'Westminster bridge once a week if we don't leave the EU'

That poster should either let us know how he arrived at that figure or concede it's scaremongering rhetoric based on ignorance, numbers plucked from an arse, and the playing to a gallery of twats.

 

[johnnytodd]

Who can say. If I'm a victim I doubt I'll be able to care. But in the meantime I think it's important to get people to quantify the shit they spout or else shut the fuck up.

'Westminster bridge once a week if we don't leave the EU'

That poster should either let us know how he arrived at that figure or concede it's scaremongering rhetoric based on ignorance, numbers plucked from an arse, and the playing to a gallery of twats.

I would have said once a month but the other poster is probably going from the percentage of immigrants who are likely to be terrorist sympathisers like yourself. It is hard to put an accurate figure there is that many coming through the OPEN door.

 

[Carver]

Who can say. If I'm a victim I doubt I'll be able to care. But in the meantime I think it's important to get people to quantify the shit they spout or else shut the fuck up.

'Westminster bridge once a week if we don't leave the EU'

That poster should either let us know how he arrived at that figure or concede it's scaremongering rhetoric based on ignorance, numbers plucked from an arse, and the playing to a gallery of twats.

Ffs I didn't literally mean that there would be an attack every single week, what I really mean is that it would happen much more often and that it would start to become the norm.

 

[TheMinsterman]

Ffs I didn't literally mean that there would be an attack every single week, what I really mean is that it would happen much more often and that it would start to become the norm.

Leaving the EU or staying in it has no impact on homegrown terrorism frequency, the families they are from are descended from migrants outside the EU anyway, so it's immigration we already control. The frequency has only increased because they're utilising methods that are almost impossible to police unless you want to stop selling knives and cars or ban lorries. Again, not something being in the EU has any bearing on.

 

[Carver]

I've made my point and I stand by it.

 

[Etty Abrics]

I've made my point and I stand by it.

You stand by your point that leaving the EU would make it less likely that people from Kent would be able to gain access to cars and reach London, something that would happen once every week...but not that often, you didn't mean that OBVIOUSLY.

Ok.