Two men receive 83 lashes for gay sex in Indonesian province of Aceh

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http://www.smh.com.au/world/two-men...onesian-province-of-aceh-20170523-gwbeof.html


The world's fourth most populous country has this nonsense going on it:

The crowd roared as two men in their early 20s - one muttering through clenched teeth - received 83 lashes each outside a mosque in the Indonesian province of Aceh for the crime of gay sex.
This was the first time sharia courts had imposed public flogging for sodomy under new laws introduced in 2014 as part of Aceh's Islamic criminal code

Four heterosexual couples also received up to 30 lashes of the cane for khalwat (being in close proximity, such as secluded in a room, when not married), which is effectively kissing and hugging.


Kind of puts Donald Trump in perspective, huh?

We need to protect The West from Sharia Courts.

That’s another thing we could do following this weeks slaughter – close the Sharia Courts.

In our country – you follow our laws. It's not hard, is it?

Obviously won’t happen as we are resilient enough – just look at the media in awe of us - going to our jobs and for food shopping! :crazy:
 

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No. It doesn't.

You realise that there are more than two colours, yeh? More than just red and orange? Well it's like that with everything else. Politically, the world has more choice than just between medieval barbarism and misogynistic child-presidents.

Oh. And there aren't any Sharia courts in the UK. There are Sharia councils attached to a number of mosques that give advice and can arbitrate but they cannot overturn the law and any decisions are subject to the law. (See this link for the law on it although this refers to Beth Din, it's the same principle). Sharia councils predominate where both parties agree to it, just as in any arbitration or mediation.

In our country, everyone does follow the same laws.
 

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No. It doesn't.

You realise that there are more than two colours, yeh? More than just red and orange? Well it's like that with everything else. Politically, the world has more choice than just between medieval barbarism and misogynistic child-presidents.

Oh. And there aren't any Sharia courts in the UK. There are Sharia councils attached to a number of mosques that give advice and can arbitrate but they cannot overturn the law and any decisions are subject to the law. (See this link for the law on it although this refers to Beth Din, it's the same principle). Sharia councils predominate where both parties agree to it, just as in any arbitration or mediation.

In our country, everyone does follow the same laws.
BNP and Biffers have long been pretending that so called Sharia courts will one day take precedence over our judicial system, Your factual and well informed post is welcomed. Are you reading HW's post Eyes?
 
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Courts / Councils – terminology.

Sharia Councils are in operation throughout the UK.

Usually attached to Mosques and provide guidance on religious laws (Sharia).

Quick reminder on what Sharia Law is:

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand.
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (see Errors in Quran).
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal".
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam

We should be in agreement that anything with “Sharia” in the title, acting as an authority for advice should be shut down.


And regarding Trump on the choices - thank god the American people made the right choice and Clinton the warmonger isn't in power.
 
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Courts / Councils – terminology.

Sharia Councils are in operation throughout the UK.

Usually attached to Mosques and provide guidance on religious laws (Sharia).

Quick reminder on what Sharia Law is:

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand.
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (see Errors in Quran).
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal".
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam

We should be in agreement that anything with “Sharia” in the title, acting as an authority for advice should be shut down.


And regarding Trump on the choices - thank god the American people made the right choice and Clinton the warmonger isn't in power.
You really should post sources for things you purport to be facts. Have you got a source?
 

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30 posts. Not a single one on football.

Why have you chosen to infect our politics sub-forum with your agenda (we get it, you don't like Islam) as opposed to any other on the web? Is there not some other outlet by which you can spread your message as opposed to a pretty small football forum with a tiny politics sub-forum? I have to assume there are better uses for your time and better outlets for your crusade.

Honestly, it's as though horrible atrocities simply increase your power bar, you thrive when frothing at the mouth. Fucking locust.
 

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The reason he is here is because he somehow got banned from Football Forums, which is some feat if you take a look at the usual fare in their current affairs sub-forum.
 

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BNP and Biffers have long been pretending that so called Sharia courts will one day take precedence over our judicial system, Your factual and well informed post is welcomed. Are you reading HW's post Eyes?

Both Beth Din and Sharia have been in operating for a while and pose no threat to anyone. Baroness Cox has spent some years putting forward a PMB, largely based on women's issues, but she hasn't received a huge amount of support simply because she has never been able to demonstrate that it's really necessary.
Mohammed Amin has - here - explained why Cox's PMB isn't necessary. He arguably explains Cox's proposed law well, explains why it is not necessary and suggests some realistic, practical alternatives. For those who might immediately jump to the "Well he would say that, wouldn't he" argument, maybe just read what Amins says about Sharia in general here. I appreciate that some might consider those articles to be on a website that is obviously the home of frothy-mouthed, screaming nutters but the Conservative Party webpage also has some interesting articles too.

Amin also explains in the second article why Sharia is so central to most Muslims. Personally, I'm not entirely convinced but it does help to set the scene for a more rational discussion.
 
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Criminalisation of homosexuality and the violence, persecution and harassment of gay men is regrettably, a feature of a number of majority Christian countries, too.

Having said that, I don't genuinely think that Sharia is compatible with the fundamental principles of democracy and human rights. Whilst this is less problematic in a UK context, where they're basically just arbitration courts, I'm not sure it's entirely true to say that they pose no threat to anyone. I think there are still some fairly legitimate fears regarding discrimination against women.
 

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The reason he is here is because he somehow got banned from Football Forums, which is some feat if you take a look at the usual fare in their current affairs sub-forum.
Yep he pissed everone off on there with the same bullshit until admin were left with no choice, like on here not a single post on football matters.
 
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Yep he pissed everone off on there with the same bullshit until admin were left with no choice, like on here not a single post on football matters.
How long until you guys decide likewise?
 

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