Who are you voting for OFFICIAL POLL

[markwwfc1992]

You literally used this argument earlier in the thread. And got the below response. Which you didn't respond to. Come on, Mark...

He didn't ask me a question? What am I responding to?

What would you consider a landslide? ( interested for betting purposes)

Basing it off the recent local elections. Labour took a hammering, losing ground all over the UK. If the local elections represent anything what the general election will be like, then I can't see the labour party fairing well at all. It's something we'll have to revisit in a fortnight after the results, and if I'm wrong I'll happily concede.

 

[JaseTheVillain]

He didn't ask me a question? What am I responding to?

In which case, don't bleat the same rubbish which a previous member has responded to, disproved, and you've not provided a counter argument to.

 

[PuB]

Local elections never reflect a general election. Labour didn't do well at all, but it wouldn't be sensible to expect that to repeated exactly on June the 8th.

 

[Aber gas]

He didn't ask me a question? What am I responding to?



Basing it off the recent local elections. Labour took a hammering, losing ground all over the UK. If the local elections represent anything what the general election will be like, then I can't see the labour party fairing well at all. It's something we'll have to revisit in a fortnight after the results, and if I'm wrong I'll happily concede.

Ok, would you like a bet? ( for Charidee of course) 10 pounds that Labour better 2015 ?

 

[markwwfc1992]

In which case, don't bleat the same rubbish which a previous member has responded to, disproved, and you've not provided a counter argument to.

.. What? If I responded to every post on here I'd be here all day long. Infact there is a post on the other thread from a week or two ago of mine you didn't respond to. Care to reply to that? Ignorant fuck.

Been at work for the past 9 hours, give me a moment and I'll read up on what you supposedly mean.

Ok, would you like a bet? ( for Charidee of course) 10 pounds that Labour better 2015 ?

Nice idea, I'm game.

 

[Aber gas]

.. What? If I responded to every post on here I'd be here all day long. Infact there is a post on the other thread from a week or two ago of mine you didn't respond to. Care to reply to that? Ignorant fuck.

Been at work for the past 9 hours, give me a moment and I'll read up on what you supposedly mean.



Nice idea, I'm game.

Good lad.

 

[Aber gas]

I've got to be honest markwwfc1992 . I'm surprised you're voting Tory. I remember your absolutely brilliant campaign against pay day loan vultures. You're genuinely a nice fella who clearly cares about people in your community. That's why I'm surprised, universal training, feeding kids, banning loan sharks, more bobbies on the beat, no tax rises for normal folk, NHS safe( no parking charges) kids getting fed ... I don't care if you think Corbyn is a hippy wanker. Leaders change the world moves on.

 

[JaseTheVillain]

.. What? If I responded to every post on here I'd be here all day long. Infact there is a post on the other thread from a week or two ago of mine you didn't respond to. Care to reply to that? Ignorant fuck.

Been at work for the past 9 hours, give me a moment and I'll read up on what you supposedly mean.

Which other thread?

Also, can we not resort to insults? I can do that with the best of them, but this is neither the time or place.

I've got nothing against you, but I will call out arguments as they're put forward, if/when I disagree with them, as is kind of the point of the forum.

 

[markwwfc1992]

I've got to be honest markwwfc1992 . I'm surprised you're voting Tory. I remember your absolutely brilliant campaign against pay day loan vultures. You're genuinely a nice fella who clearly cares about people in your community. That's why I'm surprised, universal training, feeding kids, banning loan sharks, more bobbies on the beat, no tax rises for normal folk, NHS safe( no parking charges) kids getting fed ... I don't care if you think Corbyn is a hippy wanker. Leaders change the world moves on.

The main reason I'm voting Tory is because of their stance, and my belief that they will be the best party to get us the best deal with Europe. Many other policies of the Tories I disagree with, whilst I agree with many policies from Labour. The whole dementia tax gate for example, the fox hunting vote, the general fuck the poor and make the rich, richer stance is something i am very much against. Infact if Brexit wasn't an issue in this election I probably would be siding more to Labour. I know he has his supporters, but Jeremy Corbyn, for one way or another, hasn't really filled me woth confidence enough to vote for him to be PM.

For what it's worth the Tories are far, far, from perfect. I find it difficult to find any party to truly represent my views in this election, just I feel the Tories are the lesser of two evils, so to speak.

Which other thread?

Also, can we not resort to insults? I can do that with the best of them, but this is neither the time or place.

I've got nothing against you, but I will call out arguments as they're put forward, if/when I disagree with them, as is kind of the point of the forum.

I agree, apologies Jase.

 

[Aber gas]

The main reason I'm voting Tory is because of their stance, and my belief that they will be the best party to get us the best deal with Europe. Many other policies of the Tories I disagree with, whilst I agree with many policies from Labour. The whole dementia tax gate for example, the fox hunting vote, the general fuck the poor and make the rich, richer stance is something i am very much against. Infact if Brexit wasn't an issue in this election I probably would be siding more to Labour. I know he has his supporters, but Jeremy Corbyn, for one way or another, hasn't really filled me woth confidence enough to vote for him to be PM.

For what it's worth the Tories are far, far, from perfect. I find it difficult to find any party to truly represent my views in this election, just I feel the Tories are the lesser of two evils, so to speak.



I agree, apologies Jase.

Brexit is happening Mark. It won't stop under a Labour government. It's just a matter of who negotiates. Keir Starmer ( measured, sober international lawyer) or Boris ( fuckwit, weirdo sex pest)
I reckon I shall put you down as undecided.

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

As compared to a man who has trouble condemming terrorism, and has links in his past to the IRA. Must be a lot of these 'morons' who think this was as it looks like the Tories will win by a landslide again.

I know which leadership I'd feel safer under.

I dunno, but if we're looking at recent records, Theresa May let a load of people on terrorism watchlists go and fight in Libya in 2011 because she assumed it served the country's immediate political interests. The Tories have supporting al Qaeda in Libya and in Syria, have supported funders and backers of ISIS, have sold arms to Saudi Arabia, remain fast friends with Turkey.

However you feel about Corbyn's relationship with Irish Republicanism (IMO he's consistently and openly supported their cause in general, and opposed violence in achieving it) you can be fairly sure he won't be giving arms and money to ISIS in two years because the CIA have decided they're a decent bunch of lads and there's some commies that need to be shown what for.

(of course there's a separate argument over whether Corbyn has the requisite control over his party to stop them taking positions similar to Theresa May.

But if you're making it about character you've got a choice between someone who sits down with Sinn Fein thirty years ago and someone who was responsible for actually arming and training and sending into battle al Qaeda affiliates).

 

[Abertawe]

With a week to go the poll has been amended to allow users to change their vote.

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

Liberal Democrats, change to Labour.

 

[Bentos]

Labour. Always. And I'm becoming more and more confident that Jeremy Corbyn will be our next prime minister, although I'm convinced it will be a coalition government.

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

If Jeremy Corbyn is PM, not only will I donate to the Aber's charity but I will also buy a goat.

 

[Aber gas]

If Jeremy Corbyn is PM, not only will I donate to the Aber's charity but I will also buy a goat.

Screenshot for posterity done.

 

[Abertawe]

I'm worried the Lib Dems might fuck it up. We need them to be winning back seats but I'm not convinced they will. There's a very real danger Labour could steal their vote share in marginals and handing wins to tories. I might actually do some campaigning for Lib Dems, two close marginals near me.

I've no knowledge of lots of these places. Likely to win back or not? Vince Cable surely has a shot to win back his seat.
http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

Screenshot for posterity done.

To be clear, I mean this goat - http://www.oxfam.org.uk/shop/oxfam-unwrapped/animal-lovers/goat-ou9010ml?intcmp=ou-home-product-goat

 

[Aber gas]

I'm worried the Lib Dems might fuck it up. We need them to be winning back seats but I'm not convinced they will. There's a very real danger Labour could steal their vote share in marginals and handing wins to tories. I might actually do some campaigning for Lib Dems, two close marginals near me.

I've no knowledge of lots of these places. Likely to win back or not? Vince Cable surely has a shot to win back his seat.
http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat

They've got a good chance in Thornbury/ Yate. There is definitely a chance in Bath, Torbay and st Ives imo.

 

[Aber gas]

To be clear, I mean this goat - http://www.oxfam.org.uk/shop/oxfam-unwrapped/animal-lovers/goat-ou9010ml?intcmp=ou-home-product-goat

You can do that AND buy yourself a goat tbqpfh.

 

[Veggie Legs]

I'm worried the Lib Dems might fuck it up. We need them to be winning back seats but I'm not convinced they will. There's a very real danger Labour could steal their vote share in marginals and handing wins to tories. I might actually do some campaigning for Lib Dems, two close marginals near me.

I've no knowledge of lots of these places. Likely to win back or not? Vince Cable surely has a shot to win back his seat.
http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat

Lib Dems need to hold onto their existing seats as well. The Tories certainly fancy their chances in North Norfolk and UKIP aren't standing, to help them.

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

I'm worried the Lib Dems might fuck it up. We need them to be winning back seats but I'm not convinced they will. There's a very real danger Labour could steal their vote share in marginals and handing wins to tories. I might actually do some campaigning for Lib Dems, two close marginals near me.

I've no knowledge of lots of these places. Likely to win back or not? Vince Cable surely has a shot to win back his seat.
http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat

Yes, rather concerned about the Lib Dems. The resurgence hasn't happened at all. I feel Lab need to get their supporters to vote tactically in the seats the Libs are looking to hold and gain from Cons.

As a SW Londoner I can give my verdict on number five and seven on the target list. Frankly, if they can't retake Twickenham then it's very difficult to see where the Libs can make gains. A seat they held from 97-15, a marginal with previously healthy Lib Dem majorities, heavily remain voting, a political heavyweight contesting it - if they don't take it they'll probably be on course for a very bad night. Kingston & Surbiton is similar terrain. Ed Davey, as the former Energy Secretary, is a bit of a "name" and he too is attempting to retake the seat he held for 18 years. Again, an area with Lib Dem sympathies, heavily remain voting - it would have to be viewed as something of a strategic failure if they're unable to pick it up. Funnily enough, I think it'll be tougher to hang on to Richmond Park than it will be to gain these two other seats. Of the three Richmond/Kingston seats it's traditionally the more Tory-leaning.

Beyond that, I'm rather less knowledgeable. Eastbourne and Lewes look realistic targets in the South East but the South West doesn't look overly promising to me, bar perhaps Bath. Wouldn't be overly surprised if they managed to pick up one or two in Scotland but it's not really my area. As Veggie suggests, they'll actually do well to hang on to all their existing seats, can definitely see at least a couple falling.

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

If Sir Vince was running, or infact was Lib Dems leader, they would get my vote. As it stands, they're just so shit. They've done a top notch job in losing my vote, really well played.

 

[spireite]

I will probably vote Labour, but stuff such as a ridiculous minimum wage hike to £10p/h and scrapping tuition fees sound like ideas just to get votes. I don't see how he can ever implement those, outrageous. Which makes me wonder what else he's pie in the sky about, the man seems a bit idealistic.

Still, I've always voted Labour and probably will again, because a vote anywhere else is a vote for Tory, and fuck Tory

 

[SMH]

The Tories and the Murdoch media haven't hoodwinked me into thinking they will get the best Brexit deal for this country. Theresa May is a spineless disaster as she's proving every day of the election campaigns, you can tell she's completely run out of ideas and given up on her own manifesto as all she does now is bang on about being the best British Brexit representation. if I was an EU member and she walked in representing Britain, I'd be laughing her out the room. I have warmed to Jeremy Corbyn this election campaign. I think he's far less likely to be bullied than May in a room of EU representatives smelling British blood. I've been impressed by his campaigning and Labour's costed manifesto. The Conservatives are putting more and more lives at risk with their destruction of the NHS and the cutting of Police Officers. So Labour will be getting my vote.

 

[George Reilly's Hairpiece]

Top of the strategy list for the Lib Dems must be to put Tim Farron in a locked room until the election is over. His interview with Andrew Neill last night was as embarrassing as it gets.

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

I will probably vote Labour, but stuff such as a ridiculous minimum wage hike to £10p/h and scrapping tuition fees sound like ideas just to get votes.

£10p/h minimum wage by 2020 isn't particularly radical - the Tories are/(were?) planning to increase their "National Living Wage (not actually the Living Wage)" to £9p/h by 2020

 

[HertsWolf]

There's a lot of interesting debate in this thread, despite the occasional tantrum. It's particularly encouraging that there is little rancour compared to most local Facebook pages where you see some really nasty, usually "fashionable" attacks, particularly on Corbyn, the Lib Dems generally and Nicola Sturgeon. Quite why people in south Hampshire should reserve their venom for a small Scottish lady beats me, though.

Labour: the fact that Paul Dacre, Murdoch MacLennan, the Barclay Brothers, Whittow and the entire Murdoch clan spend so much time detesting and ridiculing Jeremy Corbyn only suggest to me that he is undoubtedly good enough to lead our country. After all, most of these odious, unelected, charmless media nasties favoured either Boris Johnson, Michael Gove or Andrea Leadsom. Labour is no less fit to govern than the Tories were in 2010. The open dissent between the PLP and local branches and unions provides some degree of hope that robust challenge has replaced the usual inerrant dogma.

Tory: There is clearly a lot of talent in the Tory party. I know this not because the media tell me, but because Tory MPs are generally better at being visible and many appear very able: Sam Gyimah, Heidi Allen, Sajid Javid, Victoira Prentis to name just a few. There are still arsewipes like Phil Davies, but then every party has some like that. They do have talent but they understand the law and business better than they understand compassion and inclusiveness, so everything on the social front will seem just a little patronising. Also, problematic is that Theresa May is as prone to bullshit spin, bluster and U-turns as any other party leader. The Tories present disagreement in the Labour Party as a negative, yet the rigidity of party dogma in the Tories is probably much more troublesome for many people.

LibDems: It is incredibly fashionable to mock and ridicule them, and in the age range for this forum, it may well be particularly acute as many here will remember the tuition fees fiasco. The LibDems were unfairly blamed for all that was wrong with the coalition government yet, looking back, it seemed a government that felt strong and stable without the nasty feel of a blunt instrument that un-coalitioned Conservatives have. Yet the LibDems are the party most capable of successfully finding, every time, a foot in which to shoot themselves. Every election they make a promise that massively damages their numbers: this year, it's the pompous declaration that they won't form a coalition with either Labour or Tories. It was that kind of statement that probably keeps half a million strategic voters in marginal constituencies in bed on polling day. A surprising number of people believe that coalition governments are preferable to the rigid dogma of left or right.

Greens: It's a brave vote but I can see a particularly strong vote for the Greens in really strong Tory seats. Personally, I can't see a huge difference these days between the Lib Dems and the Greens and I wonder if they might merge or form an alliance after this election.

So who am I voting for? I put LibDem in the original poll but I'm not so sure. I'm not strongly anti- anyone, to be honest, although I generally detest local-level Tory councillors with a passion. There are many MPs of almost shades that I admire or respect, but short of moving, I can't vote for any of them. So I'm still not sure. But I will vote.

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

Green are basically a pro EU Labour. There is a significant difference between them and Lib Dems who are a centrist party in reality.

 

[mowgli]

They've got a good chance in Thornbury/ Yate. There is definitely a chance in Bath, Torbay and st Ives imo.

And here in Wells.