Who is to blame?

With every young person now struggling to find a job and afford somewhere to live who is to blame.

  • PC Brigade lefties ' let them all in no matter how dangerous or useless they are'immigrant love in.

    Votes: 6 75.0%
  • Government because they should build more houses to house as many people as possible

    Votes: 1 12.5%
  • Brexitiers

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someone is at fault surely for the housing and job crisis
 

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Capitalism caused the housing crisis by making housing into a commodity.
There is no jobs crisis - except that we're forced to sell our labour to survive.

Next?
 

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Successive governments haven't built enough houses. It's no wonder when every time a housing development is put forward down here you get an army of nimbys objecting to it, as a result any planning process takes forever and becomes hideously complex, and nothing gets done. Then every man and his dog from London wants to move down here, with more capital available to them than any local, so the local prices get pushed up and up. Then the new owners become the new nimbys and the cycle continues.
 

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Capitalism caused the housing crisis by making housing into a commodity.
There is no jobs crisis - except that we're forced to sell our labour to survive.

Next?

At least our masters are nice to us by creating the illusion that it is by our free will we participate in this modern(ised) brand of slavery. eh?
 
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Capitalism caused the housing crisis by making housing into a commodity.
There is no jobs crisis - except that we're forced to sell our labour to survive.

Next?
Really ? we had 3 jobs going last month and we had 16 applications 11 were from non UK and 5 UK lads
 

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Obvious. If more people leave the country and less come in the pressure on housing eases. Forget the political connotations to that, but it is a fact.

Same goes for NHS. It's not suffering from a lack of money, it's suffering from the number of people using it.

Everything is out of kilter. If our infrastructure and public services can only support a certain number of people whose fault is it when it gets overstretched.
 

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Obvious. If more people leave the country and less come in the pressure on housing eases. Forget the political connotations to that, but it is a fact.

Same goes for NHS. It's not suffering from a lack of money, it's suffering from the number of people using it.

Everything is out of kilter. If our infrastructure and public services can only support a certain number of people whose fault is it when it gets overstretched.
some good points indian dan
 

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Obvious. If more people leave the country and less come in the pressure on housing eases. Forget the political connotations to that, but it is a fact.

Same goes for NHS. It's not suffering from a lack of money, it's suffering from the number of people using it.

Everything is out of kilter. If our infrastructure and public services can only support a certain number of people whose fault is it when it gets overstretched.
The likes of 'Red ' of this very forum (you may know him as Swampy) want Sherwood Forest logged and flats built for Romanians......i'm sure i seen a post the other day from him calling for Stone Henge to be used as a car wash to employ 12 more immigrants.

These lefties take the piss.
 

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At least our masters are nice to us by creating the illusion that it is by our free will we participate in this modern(ised) brand of slavery. eh?

My masters are c***.
 

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Tories, its always the tories, but you lot down there fall for them every time. Unfortunately with Corbyn at the helm of Labour that means they won't get into power for probably the next 10 years yet. The quicker we get independence up here, the better.

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They'd fall to shit without the UK. I wonder if we'll build a wall? If we don't then the East euries will just fly to Scotland and drive across the border to work off the books.
 

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They'd fall to shit without the UK. I wonder if we'll build a wall? If we don't then the East euries will just fly to Scotland and drive across the border to work off the books.
We can support ourselves fine; we're not Wales. ;)
 

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And ban the quarter of a mill English up here from doing so too. ;)

Ah yes, if the majority of the rest of your countrymen fail to vote the same way as you do they are wrong and it must be an Englishman's fault.

You really are a.....n SNP voter, aren't you Salty?
 

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We can support ourselves fine; we're not Wales. ;)
But you can't which is why you voted to stay. It makes me laugh tbh. You'll leave the UK to be 'independent' but then surrender yourselves to the EU. Honestly you're lucky May is stubborn because that'll save you from the miserary of being a tiny country under the control of globalist bureaucrats.
 

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Salty only gets "patriotic" when he's had a few too many whiskys.

I predict that he's had a few too many whiskys tonight.
 

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Salty only gets "patriotic" when he's had a few too many whiskys.

I predict that he's had a few too many whiskys tonight.

And who is to blame for that (thread-title)?

I predict ManU because today they got their 41st trophy like Liverpool ;)
 

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Very good point Dirk.
 

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Salty only gets "patriotic" when he's had a few too many whiskys.

I predict that he's had a few too many whiskys tonight.
Not even started tonight mate, about to soon though :D
 

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And who is to blame for that (thread-title)?

I predict ManU because today they got their 41st trophy like Liverpool ;)
Ah yeah I see they scraped to that win today, much like they do most of their games. :ds:
 

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If Scotland want independence they should let the English vote on it.

It'll sail through no problem then

That Hadrian fella had the right idea!
 

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If Scotland want independence they should let the English vote on it.

It'll sail through no problem then

That Hadrian fella had the right idea!
Only a minority do though Dan.
 

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Capitalism caused the housing crisis by making housing into a commodity.
There is no jobs crisis - except that we're forced to sell our labour to survive.

Next?
Ian's housing point is right. Houses should be a place to live in first and an investment second. The government are now beginning to target second properties from a tax perspective but it doesn't go far enough.

They should remove (or at least) reduce stamp duty for individuals/couples if it's their first/only home. And they should bang it up on second homes. Plus there's loads more they could do on capital gains tax.

Property is by far the best commodity to invest in and that's what's causing the housing crisis in my opinion.
 

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Ah yes, if the majority of the rest of your countrymen fail to vote the same way as you do they are wrong and it must be an Englishman's fault.

You really are a.....n SNP voter, aren't you Salty?
Which 'would' happen Steven. However it is NOT a given that the SNP will be permitted to hold another 'once in a lifetime' vote. The SNP only govern for SNP members in order to appease them. They are more interested in 'Independence' (see Abertawe's post re Independence) than anything else.

But you can't which is why you voted to stay. It makes me laugh tbh. You'll leave the UK to be 'independent' but then surrender yourselves to the EU. Honestly you're lucky May is stubborn because that'll save you from the miserary of being a tiny country under the control of globalist bureaucrats.
Exactly!

This is a recent quote from Sturgeon which shows how she views the people of Scotland...."The case for full self-government ultimately transcends the issues of Brexit, of oil, of National wealth and balance sheets and of political fads and trends". Independence at ANY cost!
 

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This is high quality sociological research questionnaire John. I agree with those who lay the blame at successive governments' failure invest in a proper social housing programme. We ned to properly get some substantial social housing built. Get migrants to build them for 77 pence an hour too,
 

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Ian's housing point is right. Houses should be a place to live in first and an investment second. The government are now beginning to target second properties from a tax perspective but it doesn't go far enough.

They should remove (or at least) reduce stamp duty for individuals/couples if it's their first/only home. And they should bang it up on second homes. Plus there's loads more they could do on capital gains tax.

Property is by far the best commodity to invest in and that's what's causing the housing crisis in my opinion.

I don't think the housing crisis can be resolved without a fundamental restructuring of the economy. At the moment, the government incentivises young couples getting into overwhelming debt to "get on the property ladder".

If interest rates increase, the debts are not going to be serviceable for many homeowners. An interest-rate rise would be economically catastrophic, given record levels of private debt. Consequently, the government needs to keep interest rates down. But that means that it has to keep property debt low-risk. And in order to do that, it needs to keep property prices soaring.

And that means no social housing, and more incentives for young people to take on an unsustainable level of debt. Of course, there's only so long the government can stimulate demand for housing.
 

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I don't think the housing crisis can be resolved without a fundamental restructuring of the economy. At the moment, the government incentivises young couples getting into overwhelming debt to "get on the property ladder".

If interest rates increase, the debts are not going to be serviceable for many homeowners. An interest-rate rise would be economically catastrophic, given record levels of private debt. Consequently, the government needs to keep interest rates down. But that means that it has to keep property debt low-risk. And in order to do that, it needs to keep property prices soaring.

And that means no social housing, and more incentives for young people to take on an unsustainable level of debt. Of course, there's only so long the government can stimulate demand for housing.
I agree with all you say. The issue of high household debt derives directly from absurd house prices.

They have to suppress demand in housing without it hurting the poorer people in society which is why I am so keen on the government hammering second homes for tax. But they probably won't do it as MPs all tend to have two homes..... half of which are flipped etc.....

You wouldn't need social or cheap housing schemes if property prices weren't so absurd.
 

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