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Who will YOU vote for on June 8th OFFICIAL POLL

Discussion in 'News & Current Affairs' started by Abertawe, Apr 18, 2017.

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Which party will you vote for on June 8th?

  1. Conservatives

  2. Greens

  3. Liberal Democrats

  4. Labour

  5. UKIP

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  1. johnnytodd

    johnnytodd Well-Known Member

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    Oh so you do like the language then at least?
     

  2. Martino Quackavelli

    Martino Quackavelli jalapeno smuggler professional cuddler Site Supporter

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    Prefer Chinese tbh.
     
  3. Bobbin'

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    Conservative.

    Cant stand Corbyn and his 'man of the people' charade. He's not even the man of his own party and completely disregards it's members. If there's even the slightest chance of a coalition with those clowns SNP and Lib Dems, then I have to vote the other way.

    It's funny that a lot of people who question the morals of the Tories and their voters are going to vote Lib Dems, led by a man who has twice been unable to deny thinking homosexuality is a sin.
     
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  4. Abertawe

    Abertawe Site Supporter Site Supporter

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    The man of the people was twice elected by the parties members.
     
  5. JaseTheVillain

    JaseTheVillain All hail forum overlords! Site Supporter

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    Not to mention his jibe regarding the SNP as Corbyn has said there's no chance, calling them a right-wing nationalist party.
     
  6. Martino Quackavelli

    Martino Quackavelli jalapeno smuggler professional cuddler Site Supporter

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    DENIED
     
  7. Captain Scumbag

    Captain Scumbag A fiend in human shape

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    I may be having a funny turn, but I actually feel a smidgeon of sympathy for Tim Farron over this whole "sinful gayness" row. If Lib-Dem policy on LGBT stuff is sound (and at a cursory glance it’s certainly not regressive) does it really matter? He’s an Evangelical Christian. Most of them think homosexual acts (along with about a billion other things) are sinful. It’s antiquated and silly, but is there not something admirably secular about the religious/political distinction he’s drawn?

    I can understand someone like PP being pissed off at Farron, but conservatives? A lot of it seems like confected outrage of the political opportunist kind.
     
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  8. Bobbin'

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    After the party decided which members could vote, I know a lot of Labour voters who became members to vote against him only to then be denied the chance.

    Regardless, he more than divides opinion in his own party, even his own shadow cabinet. If he can't fully represent his closest peers I sure as hell don't trust him to represent us as a nation.

    Yes, all well and good doing so when the heat is on.

    I don't disagree. It's probably a little unfair that he was asked the question at all.

    My point is, people's views on morals can be a tad skewed. People condemn the Tories for making welfare cuts but will vote for a man who voted against equal rights.
     
  9. The Jovial Forester

    The Jovial Forester Well-Known Member

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    Whatever you think of him this is seriously deluded. He won by a landslide.
     
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  10. Renegade

    Renegade Show me what you got.

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    Always nice to see that people are still voting based on the cult of personality of leaders as opposed to the policy their party may enact in government. Farron's personal feelings on homosexuality are based solely on adherence to very old scripture, yet his party take the correct liberal stance on the matter of equal rights. Scripture that I'm sure a lot of Tory MPs and voters also adhere to. It's not like Farron has ill-will to homosexuals, he is just blindly following faith like so many do. The coverage of the issue in the press is no more than a smear campaign.

    He's NOT against equal rights as the leader of the Lib Dems. Actions speak louder than words (or in this case - thoughts based on archaic text he blindly follows). The Liberal Democrats have slightly better moral standing than the Conservatives throughout history to those with a liberal mindset. Ever so slightly.
     
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  11. Abertawe

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    You can't trust religious people in positions of power. Farron is a c***.
     
  12. smat

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    I've not really made my mind up on the matter but doesn't this bold bit presuppose that he actually does draw a religious/political boundary? How can we assume his policies are not informed by his beliefs? It seems counter intuitive to me.

    In any case, though I'll probably vote for them anyway in Kingston & Surbiton as Labour have always been hopeless there, I could well see why someone from the LGBTQ community would have their doubts about casting their vote for someone who might think your shagging is 'sinful'.
     
  13. blade1889

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    Seems weird that in one of the most important general elections in our history we're possibly going to see the lowest turnout and/or most spoilt ballots?

    I'm not going to vote for a Corbyn labour, can't get behind his policies from an economic PoV even if socially they are appealing.

    Can't get behind the Tory party in its current guise and the brexit direction they're taking.

    Don't agree with the Greens policies.

    Normally vote Lib Dem, would do again, not sure I could try and vote someone into power who holds his views though, whether they inform his/the parties, policies or not.
     
  14. Ian_Wrexham

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    While, on the face of it, Tim Farron has a broadly positive voting record on LGBT rights, he's voted for a series of amendments that water-down equality legislation and provide protection for religious bigots.

    http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/divisi...on&mpc=Westmorland_and_Lonsdale&house=commons
    http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/divisi...on&mpc=Westmorland_and_Lonsdale&house=commons
    http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/divisi...on&mpc=Westmorland_and_Lonsdale&house=commons

    He also frequently votes against timetabling bills related to pro-choice issues and LGBT equality.

    So, his voting looks like a cynical attempt to build a socially liberal facade while actively supporting homophobes.
     
  15. Stringy

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    If this was a Brexit election then she should have given us a closed, soft-Brexit or hard-Brexit ballot.
     
  16. Stringy

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    Hunter-gatherers worked 35 hours per week for 1.8 million years yet somehow I'm consistently doing more than forty. As always, I expect I'll vote Labour.

    Perhaps the way forward for Labour in an election isn't talk of nationalisation but a real drive towards improving workers' lives.
     
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  17. Laker

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    Quite like Corbyn's approach to high earners - maybe he wants to chase away our top 1% high earners. It's only worth 27% of our income tax take after all....
     
  18. Aberstone

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    Doesn't this whole debate really hone in on the problems with First Past The Post? Martino Quackavelli and Laker have both pointed out the situation that I also find myself in under Mid Bedfordshire, give anything or anyone a blue rosette and it will win the seat. That's why I'll be spoiling my ballot as I'd like Jeremy Corbyn to stand down for the benefit of the Labour Party and thus can't vote for them this time around.

    Labour's media team on the whole are rather awful, not only does it appear for them to take an age to respond to current events but they've not managed to reverse the smear campaign that they caused the 2008 Financial crisis and that Jeremy Corbyn is an IRA loving terrorist sympathiser.

    Labour will need to unite under a centre-left leader and hope that the Tories make a hash of Brexit before we go to the polls again in 2022.
     
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    Conservatives criticising Farron on gay rights is amusing. Funny no one has asked May whether she thinks homosexuality is sinful.
     
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  20. JaseTheVillain

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    Indeed, but her parliamentary record regarding gay rights isn't bad. The only thing she's voted against was reducing the age of consent for homosexual relations from 18 to 16.

    https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10426/theresa_may/maidenhead/divisions?policy=826'

    Her records on equality and human rights is rather patchy, mind you.

    https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10426/theresa_may/maidenhead/divisions?policy=6703

    If you want to see more into her votes, or those of any other MP that website is your friend.
     
  21. Martino Quackavelli

    Martino Quackavelli jalapeno smuggler professional cuddler Site Supporter

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    Be interested to see her justification on this.
     
  22. JaseTheVillain

    JaseTheVillain All hail forum overlords! Site Supporter

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    No transcript on the site... Understandable, as the debate was in 1998.
     
  23. johnnytodd

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    This is the problem with you lot, your talking about someone's views on a tiny portion of the population ie gays and lezzers.

    The vast majority of us don't give a toss....and I'm sure most gays and lezzers know that.
     
  24. Martino Quackavelli

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    Use the term 'lesbian' in future, please.

    Ian

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    When the Tory cuts are so deep you lose your carer.
     
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  26. Captain Scumbag

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    His religious beliefs probably bleed into his politics in all sorts of interesting ways, including ways that most people would find non-problematic. For example, his views about foreign aid may be heavily influenced by Christian beliefs about charity and selflessness.

    I’m more concerned about the potentially discriminatory stuff. I can’t look inside Farron’s mind (nor do I wish to), but I have confidence in my ability to read policy literature and judge whether it’s been shaped by the sort of anti-gay prejudice found in the major Abrahamic religions. At a cursory glance, Lib-Dem policy vis-à-vis LGBT stuff seems okay.

    There’s a whole raft of things I consider immoral (adultery; speaking ill of Katherine Parkinson; incorrect use of semicolons) but which I don’t wish to see proscribed by law. I’m sure you could think of some too. If so, the religious/political distinction might seem less counterintuitive, even if, like me, your outlook is non-religious. It’s this rather unfashionable idea of tolerance that lies at the heart of the English liberal tradition. Secularism is just one form of it, and one I like to encourage when I can.

    If people want to crap on Farron for deficiencies in his voting history, that’s fine. I’m not going to get into the minutiae of that because I have two episodes of Better Call Saul to watch and, more importantly, it wasn’t that sort of detailed criticism that elicited my sympathy in the first place. Based on what I saw/heard, a lot of people were shitting on him simply for having a ‘wrong’ belief, and often in ways that seemed very reductive and opportunistic.

    P.S. I also understand why LGBT folk may feel upset and alienated. Hopefully the final sentence of my previous post covered that.
     
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  27. johnnytodd

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    Explain please?
     
  28. blade1889

    blade1889 sir

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  29. Martino Quackavelli

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    Well we don't have an SNP candidate in Walsall North strangely, and Lib Dems have no chance, so Labour it is, as I said originally.

    Also, I thought the BNP were dead!?
     

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