World War 3?

[Pilgrim Meister]

Sadly I predict World War 3 is very much on the horizon but won't just involve Russia.

I think the following will all be involved:
NATO (led by the US but with exceptions)
Saudi
Israel
Russia
China
North Korea
Syria

It could get really messy as I think North Korea, Russia and China are likely to join forces. With battles taking place at various locations around the globe.

But where will it kick off and why.

Another strike on Syria could fire it off or a war on North Korea could see China and Russia join in backing NK as has been reported in the press.

Interesting times

 

[Martino Quackavelli]

No-one cares enough about North Korea to go to war over them. China are more likely to go to war against them than for them. Your understanding of strategic alliances is a bit whack too, just because A is allied with B and B is allied with C doesn't mean A is allied with C, it's possible to have short term compacts of convenience in one field whilst maintaining a wholly different approach in another. The West and NATO remain allied with Turkey overall, whilst Turkey move closer to Russia in Syria. Iran are butt-buddies with us in Iraq, whilst we're in a war of proxies with them to the west. Lumping China in with fucking Iran is dumb too; China care about money, the near abroad and this far more intangible concept of precedent. China's opposition to intervention in the Arab Spring for example is because of the precedent it sets vis-a-vis invading to protect democracy. Why would they jump in bed with Iran? They share no strategic goals whatsoever. I mean if you're gonna throw out these apocalyptic predictions throw Vietnam, Philippines, Singapore and ROK in on Team Freedom too. 'Cept that overlooks those countries own competing claims in the region. Maybe there are more than two teams?

 

[Pilgrim Meister]

No-one cares enough about North Korea to go to war over them. China are more likely to go to war against them than for them. Your understanding of strategic alliances is a bit whack too, just because A is allied with B and B is allied with C doesn't mean A is allied with C, it's possible to have short term compacts of convenience in one field whilst maintaining a wholly different approach in another. The West and NATO remain allied with Turkey overall, whilst Turkey move closer to Russia in Syria. Iran are butt-buddies with us in Iraq, whilst we're in a war of proxies with them to the west. Lumping China in with fucking Iran is dumb too; China care about money, the near abroad and this far more intangible concept of precedent. China's opposition to intervention in the Arab Spring for example is because of the precedent it sets vis-a-vis invading to protect democracy. Why would they jump in bed with Iran? They share no strategic goals whatsoever. I mean if you're gonna throw out these apocalyptic predictions throw Vietnam, Philippines, Singapore and ROK in on Team Freedom too. 'Cept that overlooks those countries own competing claims in the region. Maybe there is more than one team?

You're right I didn't format my post the way it was intended.

There could be a series of wars running simultaneously but China have asked Russia to step in to halt the North Korea situation to put Trump off starting a war there, which if it did along with the Syria debacle could cause a big war.

 

[Martino Quackavelli]

A Big Smash.

 

[smat]

Sadly I predict World War 3 is very much on the horizon

Fuck. How good are your predictions normally mate?

 

[Carver]

Nothing big as that will happen, it never does.

 

[Gladders]

I Doubt ww3 will happen while nukes are around, the civilised world wouldn't allow it, as they know it will mean armageddon.

NK might do something stupid but they would be alone in it and not supported by China

 

[lordofthepies]

Nothing big as that will happen, it never does.

It's happened twice before, mate.

 

[lordofthepies]

Sadly I predict World War 3 is very much on the horizon but won't just involve Russia.

It probably wouldn't be a world war if it was just Russia fighting itself.

 

[piézo]

There's a true propensity to war around. USA being the initial spark. To mess with Russia, North Korea and Syria is very imprudent. USA is close to hit the nerves of at least one of these and their fight back would be monstruous. China also seems to be interested as they're adding fuel to the flames of others confronts lately. Anyway if a war implodes USA certainly will be on it and none of the other mentioned countries would think of being on their side so mostly tend to create one of the most violent and weaponry full alliance.

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

I Doubt ww3 will happen while nukes are around, the civilised world wouldn't allow it, as they know it will mean armageddon.

NK might do something stupid but they would be alone in it and not supported by China

Not to get all pro-DPRK and all, but North Korea have explicitly stated that they have a "no first use" policy but will "respond in kind" to any aggression. They reiterated this policy yesterday: "we will respond to all-out war with all-out war and nuclear war with our style of nuclear attack".

The US, by contrast, does not have a "no first use" policy and indeed has stated it would consider using nuclear weapons to "rapidly end a war on favorable US terms", to "destroy bunkers containing WMD", to "ensure US operations are successful" and "to show US intent and capability to use nuclear weapons".

It's very weird that, based on both countries stated attitude towards international aggression (and indeed the last fifty years of history) that North Korea is considered the unstable, rogue state that needs to be brought into line.

 

[epic73]

I think Trump is surely one of the only world leaders who would consider responding to attacks with nukes. At least I hope.

 

[Dirk]

Sadly I predict World War 3 is very much on the horizon but won't just involve Russia.

I think the following will all be involved:
NATO (led by the US but with exceptions)
Saudi
Israel
Russia
China
North Korea
Syria

Is this even "allowed" to call it World War then when Germany doesn't start it? I thought "we" had the copyright for it?

(Sorry if this sounds like I take this too lightly. On the contrary, I am very worried about the actual situation. It's only my incompetent way to "deal" with such horrible things )

 

[KevinMcallister]

North Korea don't even have nukes, they have well painted wooden rockets

remember this is the NK that won the 2014 WC and one of it's golfers won the masters

 

[Captain Scumbag]

Not to get all pro-DPRK and all, but...

So tempted to make this my new signature.

On a more serious note, I recently finished A Dangerous Delusion by Peter Oborne, which is his short book about Iran’s nuclear capability. Its central argument is Iran doesn’t have a nuclear weapons programme, but it also does a great job detailing the inconsistency of western (i.e. US) foreign policy with respect to nuclear proliferation. The contrast, for example, between its indulgence of Israel and India and its intolerance towards Iran is really startling. Some examples were so eye-opening that I independently fact-checked them believing they must be wrong. They weren’t.

It’s kinda scary how badly the mainstream media covers subjects like this. I’ll stop here before I go full Paul Joseph Watson, but I’m sure you take my point.

Read the book if you haven’t already. I know Oborne is a Tory and therefore IRREDEEMABLY EVIL SCUM (note to self: stop stealing PP’s gimmick), but he’s admirably non-tribal and iconoclastic on a whole range of subjects and Middle East geopolitics is certainly one.

 

[Red]

Is this even "allowed" to call it World War then when Germany doesn't start it? I thought "we" had the copyright for it?

(Sorry if this sounds like I take this too lightly. On the contrary, I am very worried about the actual situation. It's only my incompetent way to "deal" with such horrible things )

 

[Dirk]

??? Did you write with "secret ink", Red ?

 

[JaseTheVillain]

Is this even "allowed" to call it World War then when Germany doesn't start it? I thought "we" had the copyright for it?

(Sorry if this sounds like I take this too lightly. On the contrary, I am very worried about the actual situation. It's only my incompetent way to "deal" with such horrible things )

Seeing as you could call the napoleonic wars the First World War (multiple wars across multiple continents), I'm going to say no. You may be right that we need Germany to start it to call it a third. Could you join the opposite side to us though please? You don't have a good track record, after all. It's like relying on Andorra to win a football match.

 

[Martino Quackavelli]

Seeing as you could call the napoleonic wars the First World War (multiple wars across multiple continents), I'm going to say no.

If you going down that route there's a whole host of dynastic civil wars you could bring into the equation. War of the Austrian Succession, War of the Spanish Succession, Seven Years War etc.

 

[Dirk]

Uih, what's going on here?

Seeing as you could call the napoleonic wars the First World War (multiple wars across multiple continents), I'm going to say no.

England and Germany (in form of the Kingdom of Prussia) against France. Those were the days back then. "We" gave the little man his Waterloo

You may be right that we need Germany to start it to call it a third

Not possible again. The "trigger" was always an Austrian (Archduke Franz Ferdinand and a little painter with moustache from Braunau). Can't see that this happens again with us,

You don't have a good track record, after all. It's like relying on Andorra to win a football match.

Hohoho Football analogy. Dangerous terrain for an Englishman . But you're partly right. Although Germany won a lot of "matches" in the "group stages" of "both tournaments" (against proven football nations like France, Netherlands, Belgium, Poland...) we couldn't win the whole thing. Mostly because in the knockout stages we always had to play against a "World team" with the best players available. And this World team could play with 22 men whereas Germany always had its best men sent off.

Anyway: This North Korean fat man seems to have lost his mind (if he ever had one). Weird country.