Relegation Thread 2017/18

valefan16 · Mar 20, 2018

Bartonyellow said:
15 chances but no goals. You can have 300 chances and no goals, or one chance and one goal. We all know which gets points on the board.

Point being we start creating that many chances against poorer sides we will be scoring.

TrinidadsNumberOne · Mar 20, 2018

All those convinced Forest Green won't drop, they were the worst side to come to our place since Chesterfield in September and so they well and truly are in the thick of this scrap. I do think their home form might just keep them up though, and add to the fact Vale and Grimsby can't win a game to save their lives and Chesterfield and Barnet look in dire straits I'm thinking they'll be the bottom four and two of those will go.

That win tonight has filled me with a little more confidence of survival. Good run of fixtures - Newport, Barnet and Vale now. Beat Barnet and either Newport or Vale and I can't see Barnet leapfrogging us on 46 points. Chesterfield have the games in hand to go on a run but they've got a hard end to the season.

We haven't lost to one of our relegation rivals at home this season and we have Vale, Morecambe and Cheltenham to finish off our season at home. I could see us winning all three of those home games which would be more than enough to keep us up bar sorcery from the bottom two. Newport, Barnet and Crawley away are all winnable away games and anything we get from Mansfield or Luton is a bonus. So our run in appears quite favourable compared to the rest of the teams in the dogfight, though not as favourable as Barnet's.

darren gregory · Mar 21, 2018

valefan16 said:
Point being we start creating that many chances against poorer sides we will be scoring.

Don't get your logic sorry mate, if you get 25 chances against Barcelona and don't score how will you say that get 25 chances against Chesterfield we will score?
Isn't it purely the ineptitude of our team rather than chances created.
We can have 50 shots against Chesterfield and not score, this is the worst team ever to disgrace the Port Vale shirt simples

valefan16 · Mar 21, 2018

darren gregory said:
Don't get your logic sorry mate, if you get 25 chances against Barcelona and don't score how will you say that get 25 chances against Chesterfield we will score?
Isn't it purely the ineptitude of our team rather than chances created.
We can have 50 shots against Chesterfield and not score, this is the worst team ever to disgrace the Port Vale shirt simples

Up until a few games ago we weren’t creating anything at all, so the fact we are playing well and creating is a positive... if we do that upon Popes return we will score goals as he is our only decent scorer.

It’s the worst Vale side there’s no doubting that (although man for man it’s surely a better squad than 2008?)

Tomorrow will be interesting with the Smurf meeting. I can’t see how it can go well... it’s funny it was losing to Exeter in the cup that started all this with him... so now he has to shoulder the blame as to why after that he dismantled a decent enough league one side and we now sit 20 plus points behind them after losing last night! That’s the downfall he has created for this football club all over a cup defeat to a side a league below. It really is completely crackers!

I think we will survive but it’s going to be stressful. I expect us to pick up a few points still to scrape over the line. What does the summer hold though? Will Aspin be here and will he get the chance to build a squad that can compete.

Have to be honest I never thought I’d see us in this mess. Can’t overly blame investment either... Chesterfield aside our budget will still be better than most of those around us in the bottom half.

It’s clear from Aspins comments in the press that all isn’t well behind the scenes... it’s also clear some of the issues Brown had with poor atitude from players is also there... we know of Regis and why is our most gifted player who tore Luton to pieces for example not starting games? (Whitfield)

Westbars_Spireite · Mar 21, 2018

The door remains open after last night's games and could well remain that way after Saturday looking at the fixtures.

Games in hand will mean zero though unless we start winning very soon.

darren gregory · Mar 21, 2018

valefan16 said:
Up until a few games ago we weren’t creating anything at all, so the fact we are playing well and creating is a positive... if we do that upon Popes return we will score goals as he is our only decent scorer.

It’s the worst Vale side there’s no doubting that (although man for man it’s surely a better squad than 2008?)

Tomorrow will be interesting with the Smurf meeting. I can’t see how it can go well... it’s funny it was losing to Exeter in the cup that started all this with him... so now he has to shoulder the blame as to why after that he dismantled a decent enough league one side and we now sit 20 plus points behind them after losing last night! That’s the downfall he has created for this football club all over a cup defeat to a side a league below. It really is completely crackers!

I think we will survive but it’s going to be stressful. I expect us to pick up a few points still to scrape over the line. What does the summer hold though? Will Aspin be here and will he get the chance to build a squad that can compete.

Have to be honest I never thought I’d see us in this mess. Can’t overly blame investment either... Chesterfield aside our budget will still be better than most of those around us in the bottom half.

It’s clear from Aspins comments in the press that all isn’t well behind the scenes... it’s also clear some of the issues Brown had with poor atitude from players is also there... we know of Regis and why is our most gifted player who tore Luton to pieces for example not starting games? (Whitfield)

The most baffling thing about the lunatics response to Exeter away was that it wasn't the biggest shock in cup history was it? League 2 side beats League 1 side, WOW, amazing . Complete overeaction by him.
Man for man it is better than 2008, christ DannyGlover, Ross Davidson, Simon Richman, the mind boggles.
However we are now 13 without a win, make it 14 after Wycombe. Sleep walking our way to the drop.
We have to beat Chesterfield not go in with the we'll take a draw attitude.

If we limp over the line it is more down to the inadequacy of other teams than anything positive by Vale.
Never felt so much apathy or felt so low watching this utter tripe.

Chris FGR · Mar 21, 2018

The good thing about last night was that our goal difference didn't take too much of a hit. Had Crewe ended up winning by 5 or 6, which could easily have happened, then we would have lost our advantage over Grimsby and Chesterfield on that front. -22 at this stage is fairly respectable I would say, and could end up being an extra point.

Btw not sure why Crewe are down near the bottom, by all accounts they looked a top quality side against us last night.

genesimmons · Mar 21, 2018

Yeah im pretty sure no side has gone up into league 2 and straight back down and numbers of sides bounceing straight back into league 2 are in single figures. Nearest to a yo yo team is barnet. I think 3 up 3 down which i feel is long overdue would make us see more yo yo sides. I would love chesterfield to stay up but the fact they aint capatilising on the poor sides above them shows how little fight they have. Its a shame they dont have a chairman that had is a steve gibson type guy the fan base and infastructure is clearly there

Habbinalan · Mar 21, 2018

Based on atmosphere around the club combined with available players and player but especially manager ability to deal with a relegation dog fight, my prediction of results leaves two massive clubs with terrible ownership issues floundering around the National League next season. I could only see 3 draws for the Mariners at best, so a fluke win anywhere (helped by a sending off??) could make all the difference.

Morecambe will be around as long as Jim is in the dug-out but not much longer unless they find a very wise owner.

17 Morecambe 56
18 Yeovil 53
19 Crewe 49
20 Forest Green 45
21 Port Vale 41
22 Barnet 41
23 Grimsby 40
24 Chesterfield 35

valefan16 · Mar 21, 2018

darren gregory said:
The most baffling thing about the lunatics response to Exeter away was that it wasn't the biggest shock in cup history was it? League 2 side beats League 1 side, WOW, amazing . Complete overeaction by him.
Man for man it is better than 2008, christ DannyGlover, Ross Davidson, Simon Richman, the mind boggles.
However we are now 13 without a win, make it 14 after Wycombe. Sleep walking our way to the drop.
We have to beat Chesterfield not go in with the we'll take a draw attitude.

If we limp over the line it is more down to the inadequacy of other teams than anything positive by Vale.
Never felt so much apathy or felt so low watching this utter tripe.

Nope! The same season in the League Cup we beat the Championship Title winners Burnley and took WBA to penalties... you win some you lose some and Exeter away was never going to be easy for a League One club with a poor away record.

We must get a result at home to Chesterfield... we will be doomed if not.

In terms of apathy... put it this way, i was chuffed when Barnet Away got P-P so it didnt ruin my weekend!

JJ1532 · Mar 21, 2018

Chris FGR said:
Btw not sure why Crewe are down near the bottom, by all accounts they looked a top quality side against us last night.

We are down at the bottom because we only produce performances like that once every few weeks. Plus, you guys play a style that we enjoy playing against: ours. We pass is slowly around, often struggle for end product and have issues in defence. But when we play a team that try to out football us, we usually do ok. As soon as they turn it into a physical contest we struggle and weirdly, League Two is all about that. Hence why we are down near the bottom.

valefan16 · Mar 21, 2018

Get the usual Akinfenwa pasting out the way Saturday and then 7 huge games... probably need 2 wins (or 6 points)

Chesterfield at home is massive... win that would be huge, lose it and they could close right in on us. Crewe away is winnable, we've sold out virtually again so hopefully the lads will rise to the crowd and general performances away have improved lately.

That weekend is crucial... after that

the last 5 games, 3 home:

Crawley
Carlisle
Lincoln

All winnable on our day although Lincoln could be tough if they are still in the race.

2 away:

Mansfield
Cambridge

Mansfield Away will be very tough, Cambridge will be a dead rubber for them so hopefully if needed we can get a result there.

If we can get 4 points from Easter we will be ok... IF.

les.gtfc · Mar 21, 2018

It's our 4 home fixtures that are going to decide whether we stay up or not, as I can't really see us getting anything in our away games that are left at Coventry, Wycombe and Swindon although it could still come down to the last day and I don't really fancy going to FGR needing something. We have 3 winable (although I'm not really sure what winable means at the minute) home games v Stevenage and then on consecutive Saturdays, Chesterfield and Barnet. We really do need to be winning those 2 as our last home game is Notts County and I can't really see us taking much from that.

No matter how good or bad a manager Michael Jolley is, the fact is that you can't polish a turd, so he really does need to be some sort of miracle worker to get this squad playing anything like they were earlier in the season. We actually won away at Accy Stanley in September and of the team that night only 1 players has left, so that gives me a little crumb of confidence that these players can perform. A few weeks after that we were only goal difference off the play-offs!

I'm just so bloody angry that we haven't learnt the lessons of the last time we were relegated and in similar fashion to what Port Vale fan Darren Gregory reckons, we seem to be sleepwalking to the drop, although I can't see BOTH us and Port Vale going down.

The thing is I'm a bit worried that IF we go down again, we might never come back.

Chris FGR · Mar 21, 2018

We don't do away points, so it's gonna come down to whether we can get enough at home.

Our remaining home games are Mansfield, Colchester, Chesterfield and Grimsby. On paper not too bad, but the last 2 could be high pressure six pointers. Need at least 6-7 points from those.

GTFCfish · Mar 22, 2018

I hadn't realised that the current bottom 4 teams play each other last game of the season, FGR v Grimsby and Barnet v Chesterfield this could be unbearable if it's still all up for grabs then.

P.s a friendly message to FGR, say just for example last game we both find ourselves on the same points, 3 above the relegation zone, nudge nudge wink wink I'm sure we can come to some sort of arrangement and play out a nice friendly bore draw like they always do in Italy if this situation ever arises. :bg:

Chris FGR · Mar 22, 2018

GTFCfish said:
P.s a friendly message to FGR, say just for example last game we both find ourselves on the same points, 3 above the relegation zone, nudge nudge wink wink I'm sure we can come to some sort of arrangement and play out a nice friendly bore draw like they always do in Italy if this situation ever arises.

How dare you imply we'd ever get engaged in dodgey bastardness on the last day of a season? :whistle:

I'm sure we can come to some sort of arrangement.

Laker · Mar 22, 2018

Chris FGR said:
How dare you imply we'd ever get engaged in dodgey bastardness on the last day of a season?

I'm sure we can come to some sort of arrangement.

Don’t you normally wait til after all games have finished before plotting your escape? I’m thinking AGM Cup....

Westbars_Spireite · Mar 22, 2018

If we can get a result on Sunday then Friday at Vale could be a pivotal game.

Think I'd have to go even though I've pretty much stopped for various reasons.

valefan16 · Mar 22, 2018

Westbars_Spireite said:
If we can get a result on Sunday then Friday at Vale could be a pivotal game.

Think I'd have to go even though I've pretty much stopped for various reasons.

Regardless will be biggest in our history, losing that would be unthinkable.

Westbars_Spireite · Mar 22, 2018

Could be an interesting day. Not sure it’ll be too pleasant afterwards if we win the game.

valefan16 · Mar 22, 2018

Westbars_Spireite said:
Could be an interesting day. Not sure it’ll be too pleasant afterwards if we win the game.

Most can’t be arsed with it to be honest unless you brings some of your element down. Tonight will be more spicey i imagine at the SC meeting with Smurf speaking for the first time in months.

kieran_vale · Mar 22, 2018

valefan16 said:
Most can’t be arsed with it to be honest unless you brings some of your element down. Tonight will be more spicey i imagine at the SC meeting with Smurf speaking for the first time in months.

So apparently from what he has said the club need to find about £820k between May and July and the first installment of the Hugill money almost gone already. In all honesty am at the point now the best thing to do is just shut the club down completely. This is beyond the joke.

As for the Chesterfield game I doubt there will be more than a handful there to see it so I wouldn't worry about afterwards.

valefan16 · Mar 22, 2018

kieran_vale said:
So apparently from what he has said the club need to find about £820k between May and July and the first installment of the Hugill money almost gone already. In all honesty am at the point now the best thing to do is just shut the club down completely. This is beyond the joke.

As for the Chesterfield game I doubt there will be more than a handful there to see it so I wouldn't worry about afterwards.

Sound fucked. Go down go admin go into the Northern Prem... might be able to see them play five miles down the road at Coalville next season!

See he’s brought up the Exeter game as soon as battered about the Bruno experiment!

valefan16 · Mar 22, 2018

Karl Oyston was Smurfs mentor the FL set when he purchased the club...

PuB · Mar 22, 2018

How on earth has he managed to rack up that kind of debt in such a short time since your last admin? What a completely incompetent twat.

valefan16 · Mar 22, 2018

PuB said:
How on earth has he managed to rack up that kind of debt in such a short time since your last admin? What a completely incompetent twat.

It depends how accurate it is... the CEO said we were self sufficient in January... basically the Hugill first instalment covers up to April... yet we will somehow lose the annual wage budget of the league leaders Accrington in three months when the club isn’t even playing!

Heading into the most critical six weeks of our 140 year history it’s all fairly negative... essentially he will cover it as it’s a charity and he feels obliged too until it’s sold... which he wants crazy money for!

Asked by a fan how much he wants “it’s none of your business sit down”... our club is none of our business?

Gunning wasn’t kept on as he would have been second highest paid player at club so would have caused mutiny with the others... really?!

Aspin will not be sacked regardless of the outcome this season and will be backed (allegedly) if still in L2 to get back in L1.... we have a top ten budget and it’s bigger than some league one clubs (allegedly)

The rest has generally been a history lesson again rather than what he’s going to do....

Exeter, Page, death threats, Wildes...

Best one is the Norwegian bidders were linked to Bruno Ribeiros agent... but Bruno fell out with his agent and it led to fisticuffs... its like a soap opera...

valefan16 · Mar 22, 2018

And there is the killer... “Il be here until we are back in league one”

Rest in Peace Port Vale Football club...

kieran_vale · Mar 22, 2018

Basically just a list of Smurthwaites greatest hits. Complete waste of time. Just waiting for the the "I was going to put it in admin but Bill Bell advised me not to" (for those who don't know our former owner had been dead for months at the time he was going to do this).

I feel sorry for Neil Aspin having to deal with this. You literally couldn't write some of this shit that has happened during Smurthwaites time as owner.

valefan16 · Mar 22, 2018

He ‘loves the club’ sure in the autumn he said he was numb to it!

Bartonyellow · Mar 22, 2018

A football club needs a good owner. Our main driver of the last ten years of success is sound stable owner who doesn’t blurt off in the media..instead just quietly goes about his business running a well run football club.
Perhaps you need to go backwards to go forwards. Shows how far u have fallen since we lost out to you on the promotion season - we have raised our profile and got to the championship and you are staring the conference in the face. And it’s all down to a leadership.
Fuck the clown off. Sounds a dickhead. And disconnect his internet so you don’t have to read his tweets and online rants.
Professionalism of a club starts at the top.

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