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The question is whether Billic makes them or not.
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I had this conversation with a few friends before the start of the season. They thought that West Ham would have a good season this year and I just didn't see it at all. Zabaleta is solid but he's knocking on now. He's a hard worker but he's not got the legs anymore. Hart's had a terrible year or so. Fair play for him having a go in Serie A last year but he was pretty awful for Torino in all honesty. Arnautovic is rubbish. He'll have about five good games a season, usually against lesser teams in the league but will look like an uninterested child for the other 30+ games. And people only rated Hernandez off the back of being a good super sub for United many moons ago and because he seems like a decent lad. I thought that we was average at best for Leverkusen.
There's not many players in that team you'd say are quality. I like Antonio and Lanzini is a tidy player but overall they have a pretty substandard squad. Moyes will have a job to do but I'm sure the January signings of Adnan Januzaj and Darren Gibson will be just the boost that they need in their bid to stay up.
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David Sullivan says:
“He is highly regarded and respected within the game, and will bring fresh ideas, organisation and enthusiasm"
Enthusiasm is an interesting choice of word. Organisation I can see. Highly regarded? Unsure at the current time. We shall see!
“He is highly regarded and respected within the game, and will bring fresh ideas, organisation and enthusiasm"
Enthusiasm is an interesting choice of word. Organisation I can see. Highly regarded? Unsure at the current time. We shall see!
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David Moyes appointed to become West Ham's next former manager.
There's an air of inevitability about it, isn't there......
There's an air of inevitability about it, isn't there......
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Was inevitable for Bilic really, don't think being manager during the transistional phase in their awful new ground has helped him though, especially after finishing 7th in his first season and raising expectations.
Not sure about this appointment, seems like they are hoping Moyes of the Everton days is going to come back, but is he too much of a damaged good now? Needs to get off to a good start because as they go into December the fixtures are really tough.
Not sure about this appointment, seems like they are hoping Moyes of the Everton days is going to come back, but is he too much of a damaged good now? Needs to get off to a good start because as they go into December the fixtures are really tough.
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I remember when they finished 7th and Bilic appeared on ITV during the Euros, lots of people were saying they'd like him as England manager. Despite a poor year, I'd still happily have him instead of Southgate (or most of the other favourites for the job).
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Surprised that so many here dont like this appointment. Not an exciting one I agree, but he’s only offered 6 months and would be a good choice to keep whu in the league which on current trend they will be relegated from.
The only period suggested that hes a poor manager was his days in spain. He surely disappointed fans when in charge of united, but after the past seasons, who really believes that the two big name managers after him did a better job considering the resources they’ve got? Almost none of his players at united have achieved better things after he left, which showed how difficult the job was. Regarding Sunderland, the biggest mistake was taking that job.
The only period suggested that hes a poor manager was his days in spain. He surely disappointed fans when in charge of united, but after the past seasons, who really believes that the two big name managers after him did a better job considering the resources they’ve got? Almost none of his players at united have achieved better things after he left, which showed how difficult the job was. Regarding Sunderland, the biggest mistake was taking that job.
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His good days at Everton were not that far away. Not unreasonable for the owners to expect similar things can happen in east London. Can still remember that many Everton fans here talked about how it was a good time for the club to move on when he left for united. More than four years passed and they had one great season, one average season and two poor seasons before dropping to the bottom three in November this year. Things could have easily been better on the whole had he never left.
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I get where you're coming from, but whichever way you're looking at it, he's fucked up 3 jobs in a row now.
Manchester United: Took a team from 1st to 7th, and whilst it was an almost impossible job to replace Fergie, he had an very good squad at his disposal that should've been at least in the top 4.
Real Sociedad: Was sacked with Real Sociedad only out of the relegation zone on goal difference. The manager who replaced him guided them to an 9th place finish.
Sunderland: Despite how shit Sunderland were, an 18% win rate is diabolical. Didn't look like Sunderland were trying to avoid relegation.
It's a risk, let's put it that way.
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So far, Bilic only did well as coach of the Croatian national team, as he has been sacked three times in a row. Maybe he's not suitable for the job?
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4 goals in 11 averages out to about
That Man United squad was absolute dogshit (relatively speaking). All the best players were over the hill and they didn't have any decent creative players.
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4 goals in 11 averages out to around 15 for the whole season, which tbf is above average, however this is around the time when he went on a big goal drought last year. It'll be interesting to see whether he does the same this season.
IIRC a squad very similar to the one David Moyes started the season with won the league the season before and qualified for the Champions League the year after.
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Exactly. Everything happened after Fergie’s reign says Fergie is a genious. No more than three players (De Gea, Mata, Kagawa) in that squad proved they are top 4 level after Fergie left.
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OK, fair enough. He's still, however, failed even more miserably at Real Sociedad and Sunderland.
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Real was a big failure to be fair. Sunderland not so much. Like United, after years of poor recruitment, they are exactly where they deserves and can only get worse without huge investment.
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I get what you mean, but surely he could've signed some players that weren't complete and utter shit, and sold some players that were completely and utterly shit? It shouldn't have been rocket science to Moyes that Sunderland had a shit team and many other managers had been able to steer Sunderland to safety with equally shit squads.
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From the Guardian (c&p)
From the Theatre of Dreams to the Temple of Dildo.
From the Theatre of Dreams to the Temple of Dildo. For David Moyes the last three years have been a curious kind of journey. Through the fag-end of an empire at Manchester United, to Real Sociedad and the sack, to Sunderland and relegation, Moyes has strode past the smoke and wreckage with a strained kind of dignity, always somehow a little starched and pained in his crisp white shirts, eyes wide, a man watching things happen to himself.
He is though still a story, still a name, still a man with a reputation to restore. For his unveiling as West Ham manager, the Great Briton Room on the third floor of the London Stadium was abuzz with a rare kind of event glamour. Cameras whirred, microphones clicked, necks craned anxiously as the clock ticked past four and outside the lights of the City glimmered through the jaffa-coloured haze of a pollution-sunset.
And finally there he was, entering from a small door to the right of the stage, immaculate in skinny black suit, maroon tie and mini-poppy. And not just smiling but beaming wildly, giddy, thrilled, and definitely not – this is vital – in any way gloomy and fatalistic. Moyes looked trim and fit. He skipped up the steps pointing and waving and greeting the press by name like an American politician and looking, in the circumstances, only a little bit anxious.
As well he might. The last few years have been tough on Moyes. Everton feels like a long time ago now. His appointment at West Ham has quickly drawn a barrage of social media dissent and radio phone-in angst from supporters already a little displaced and edgy. The first question here was stark and to the point. Did he think this was a good appointment?
“I think it’s good for us both. Well, it’s good for me,” he said, before slipping weirdly into the third person “And I do think it’s good for West Ham. They’ve got a good manager.”
There was a little awkwardness as Moyes pretended to be totally fine with the length of his contract, which only runs until the end of the season. It is certainly a strange piece of early sabotage by West Ham’s owners, who could quite easily have backed Moyes with the full two years plus some decisive break clauses .
David Moyes has ‘point to prove’ after being appointed West Ham manager:
“Managers now aren’t having long-term contracts,” he insisted breezily, like a newly divorced dad explaining how much fun it’s going to be moving out of the family semi and living in a flat above a kebab shop.
There was plenty of praise for West Ham’s stadium, albeit the old one they no longer occupy, which was “one of the most fearsome places to come”. And by now Moyes had at least stopped smiling and gone back to the familiar paint-stripping stare, the best part of him, the part that reminds you of his sense of purpose at Everton: Moyes the team-builder and disciplinarian, before he had to start doing all this apologising about things.
On that front there was a slightly alarming attempt to answer a question about the remarks he made at Sunderland last March to the BBC journalist Vicki Sparks about “getting a slap”. Had Moyes discussed this with Karren Brady, who was very critical of him at the time? “No we didn’t discuss it at all.” Er. What? Really? Not at all?
It was the only really jarring moment in an otherwise cussedly upbeat half hour, the only glimpse of the peculiar vagueness that has dogged this club. Surely, at the very least, Moyes should have been briefed to answer this question a bit better.
But then hanging over all of this is the wider question of where exactly this strangely displaced, strangely unhappy modern behemoth is heading right now. Unveiling David Moyes on a six-month contract on a gloomy November Wednesday afternoon: this wasn’t in the brochure when the junking of Upton Park, the idea of a leap up into the elite club stratosphere, was being energetically floated. But then, football rarely does what its told on any level.
And Moyes does at least fit into the longer history of West Ham managers, the sense this is a job for serious, even rather sorrowful men. From Syd King, who suffered and died in the job, through the obsessive inspiration of Ron Greenwood and the quiet class of John Lyall, West Ham has been a place for era-builders, men with an eye on some kind of legacy, as Moyes always seemed to be in the best times.
If he has something a little pinched about him these days then this is also unsurprising for a manager who seemed to become obsolete, dinosaur-ish almost overnight. Moyes will surely keep West Ham up just by getting the players to run a bit more and defend a bit better. “Sometimes you have to repair things and maybe I’ve got a bit to repair,” he said at one point.
West Ham still give the impression of having left some vital part of the club’s essence up the road in the London clay of a new-build housing site. In Moyes they might just have found somebody else looking for a redemption story. It would be an unexpectedly happy ending if he could find a home here, at a place still trying to feel like one.
From the Theatre of Dreams to the Temple of Dildo.
From the Theatre of Dreams to the Temple of Dildo. For David Moyes the last three years have been a curious kind of journey. Through the fag-end of an empire at Manchester United, to Real Sociedad and the sack, to Sunderland and relegation, Moyes has strode past the smoke and wreckage with a strained kind of dignity, always somehow a little starched and pained in his crisp white shirts, eyes wide, a man watching things happen to himself.
He is though still a story, still a name, still a man with a reputation to restore. For his unveiling as West Ham manager, the Great Briton Room on the third floor of the London Stadium was abuzz with a rare kind of event glamour. Cameras whirred, microphones clicked, necks craned anxiously as the clock ticked past four and outside the lights of the City glimmered through the jaffa-coloured haze of a pollution-sunset.
And finally there he was, entering from a small door to the right of the stage, immaculate in skinny black suit, maroon tie and mini-poppy. And not just smiling but beaming wildly, giddy, thrilled, and definitely not – this is vital – in any way gloomy and fatalistic. Moyes looked trim and fit. He skipped up the steps pointing and waving and greeting the press by name like an American politician and looking, in the circumstances, only a little bit anxious.
As well he might. The last few years have been tough on Moyes. Everton feels like a long time ago now. His appointment at West Ham has quickly drawn a barrage of social media dissent and radio phone-in angst from supporters already a little displaced and edgy. The first question here was stark and to the point. Did he think this was a good appointment?
“I think it’s good for us both. Well, it’s good for me,” he said, before slipping weirdly into the third person “And I do think it’s good for West Ham. They’ve got a good manager.”
There was a little awkwardness as Moyes pretended to be totally fine with the length of his contract, which only runs until the end of the season. It is certainly a strange piece of early sabotage by West Ham’s owners, who could quite easily have backed Moyes with the full two years plus some decisive break clauses .
David Moyes has ‘point to prove’ after being appointed West Ham manager:
“Managers now aren’t having long-term contracts,” he insisted breezily, like a newly divorced dad explaining how much fun it’s going to be moving out of the family semi and living in a flat above a kebab shop.
There was plenty of praise for West Ham’s stadium, albeit the old one they no longer occupy, which was “one of the most fearsome places to come”. And by now Moyes had at least stopped smiling and gone back to the familiar paint-stripping stare, the best part of him, the part that reminds you of his sense of purpose at Everton: Moyes the team-builder and disciplinarian, before he had to start doing all this apologising about things.
On that front there was a slightly alarming attempt to answer a question about the remarks he made at Sunderland last March to the BBC journalist Vicki Sparks about “getting a slap”. Had Moyes discussed this with Karren Brady, who was very critical of him at the time? “No we didn’t discuss it at all.” Er. What? Really? Not at all?
It was the only really jarring moment in an otherwise cussedly upbeat half hour, the only glimpse of the peculiar vagueness that has dogged this club. Surely, at the very least, Moyes should have been briefed to answer this question a bit better.
But then hanging over all of this is the wider question of where exactly this strangely displaced, strangely unhappy modern behemoth is heading right now. Unveiling David Moyes on a six-month contract on a gloomy November Wednesday afternoon: this wasn’t in the brochure when the junking of Upton Park, the idea of a leap up into the elite club stratosphere, was being energetically floated. But then, football rarely does what its told on any level.
And Moyes does at least fit into the longer history of West Ham managers, the sense this is a job for serious, even rather sorrowful men. From Syd King, who suffered and died in the job, through the obsessive inspiration of Ron Greenwood and the quiet class of John Lyall, West Ham has been a place for era-builders, men with an eye on some kind of legacy, as Moyes always seemed to be in the best times.
If he has something a little pinched about him these days then this is also unsurprising for a manager who seemed to become obsolete, dinosaur-ish almost overnight. Moyes will surely keep West Ham up just by getting the players to run a bit more and defend a bit better. “Sometimes you have to repair things and maybe I’ve got a bit to repair,” he said at one point.
West Ham still give the impression of having left some vital part of the club’s essence up the road in the London clay of a new-build housing site. In Moyes they might just have found somebody else looking for a redemption story. It would be an unexpectedly happy ending if he could find a home here, at a place still trying to feel like one.
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Even putting my hatred of Moyes to one side its a horrible appointment. Despite him being a cancer for his last 3 clubs he clearly was a good manager in his Everton days. Best case scenario is he steadys the ship and West Ham finish mid table for the next few years playing a brand of football that emphasizes running and Britishness over any real quality. But they already had a better version of that with Big Sam without the potential of dropping like.a stone.
On the other hand if things dont go to plan Moyes will do what he always does Bring out his unique blend of arrogance and self pity and point the finger at everyone but himself. He will slaughter the players in public which will lead to a demoralised squad going down.
The continuing excuses for him are hilllarious no matter which way you swing it, taking a squad that comfortably finished top and a was one goal away from 3 titles on the bounce to 7th place behind your former club by a significant margin whilst spending over 70 million is catastrophic failure. He was rightly sacked and everything he has done since has only emphasised how bad a decision it was to give him the.job.
On the other hand if things dont go to plan Moyes will do what he always does Bring out his unique blend of arrogance and self pity and point the finger at everyone but himself. He will slaughter the players in public which will lead to a demoralised squad going down.
The continuing excuses for him are hilllarious no matter which way you swing it, taking a squad that comfortably finished top and a was one goal away from 3 titles on the bounce to 7th place behind your former club by a significant margin whilst spending over 70 million is catastrophic failure. He was rightly sacked and everything he has done since has only emphasised how bad a decision it was to give him the.job.
“I don’t think it’s a bad team, a bad squad. But I can’t be bothered with any drivel. I’m going to be direct with the players. If they don’t like it, then I’m sorry. We’ve got to make sure we get through to them quickly. If it works, great. If it doesn’t, then I’ll see the East End of London for seven months, then I’ll go elsewhere.”
David Moyes, 11/11/17
David Moyes, 11/11/17
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Inspiring words 
Wasn't he hopelessly negative at Sunderland from the outset too? Possibly not the best fit for a club at a low ebb tbh.
Wasn't he hopelessly negative at Sunderland from the outset too? Possibly not the best fit for a club at a low ebb tbh.
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