Incident at London Bridge

[GodsGift]

Reports a van has run down 15-20 people on London Bridge. If true it sounds pretty similar to Westminster. Others saying there may have been stabbings or gunfire.

Sigh.

 

[Skinner]

Spineless c***.

 

[Benito]

That old Islam.

 

[Skinner]

Definite gunfire, former military bloke living near by thought it was fireworks at first, so that ain't no handgun.

Anybody else getting really bored of this bollocks?

 

[The Eyes of Self Actual]

The most worrying thing is the fact the van and gang got away and what will they do next?

In fact, no, the most worrying thing is the Labour London Mayor stating that "terror is part and parcel of living in a big ciy - get used to it".

 

[Alty]

I felt so sorry for France who seemed to be experiencing these incessantly for a couple of years. Looks like it's our turn after a period of relative calm. Three attacks in a few weeks. Christ.

 

[GodsGift]

The Met say they're also dealing with an incident in Borough Market. Probably the same people involved.

 

[The Eyes of Self Actual]

I felt so sorry for France who seemed to be experiencing these incessantly for a couple of years. Looks like it's our turn after a period of relative calm. Three attacks in a few weeks. Christ.

It's 4 if you include the other guy with a bag of knives stopped outside parliament in the first few days after the initial attack. He was on the extremists watch list and was up to no good.

 

[Alty]

The Met say they're also dealing with an incident in Borough Market. Probably the same people involved.

On a totally self-indulgent level these recent attacks have been particularly horrible because they've been genuine 'that could have been me' moments. I cross Westminster Bridge every weekday morning and afternoon. I'm from Manchester and have been to the arena and Victoria Station loads of time. And I go to Borough Market all the time. My other half is in Borough Market Choir. The idea that people go out to these places as normal but never come back is difficult to get your head around.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

A 3rd tragic incident in such a short time is bound to get everyone's blood going. More innocent folk and familes going about their life who suffer.

It's still a very confused picture at this moment as the aftermath of these things always tend to be. I can only implore all good folk here to try to keep a level head, let's discuss facts as they become clear.

 

[Skinner]

Without trying to make a light of the situation, but me and my missus were meant to go London Bridge tonight but after a long queue at the barbers after work I couldn't be arsed and opted for the local.

I can picture a drunk me asking the old bill to point out the perpetrators, I'm a dick when I drink, or breathe

 

[Blitzballer]

Part and parcel of living in big cities
It's cool though, we'll just light up a few buildings, hold hands and sing kumbaya

 

[Skinner]

Vauxhall now too, wtf

 

[G-Dragon]

Without trying to make a light of the situation, but me and my missus were meant to go London Bridge tonight but after a long queue at the barbers after work I couldn't be arsed and opted for the local.

I can picture a drunk me asking the old bill to point out the perpetrators, I'm a dick when I drink, or breathe

 

[The Eyes of Self Actual]

I wonder what everyone will say tomorrow...Media, politicians? Social media?

Ha, really, is there any need to wonder?

It'll be the same nonsense and NOTHING is done.

 

[Skinner]

Yeah. Wrong place wrong time, before it was as serious as it was believed. Apologies. Genuinely thought it was another overreaction, which we get a lot of down here.

I'm a c***. Sorry.

 

[TheMinsterman]

I wonder what everyone will say tomorrow...Media, politicians? Social media?

Ha, really, is there any need to wonder?

It'll be the same nonsense and NOTHING is done.

And what, pray tell, should be done.

 

[markwwfc1992]

Another week another terrorist attack on our country. Hate what the world is turning into.

 

[Jockney]

Fucking hell. I am sick of this. I am sick of politicians' platitudes: as they increase primacy of Prevent, despite the domestic policy being ineffective, often counter-productive and ultimately racist. I am sick of politicians: their sick, self-satisfied displays of solidarity despite holding hands with dictators and contemporaries who led us into horrifying situations in Iraq and Afgjanistan. I am sick of politicians: who extol the virtues of empire via the lens of free-world liberal values that are anything but. I am sick of sickoes who have betrayed the people they grew up with, of the people they live with, and, whoever they identify with politically, land Muslim and BAME in the shit time and time again because this country can't seem to cut itself off from
Empire politically, socially, culturally or economically. I'm so, so fucking sick of it.

Thank fuck for Manchester. Thank fuck for Portland. Thank fuck for Istanbul. Thank fuck for Kabul.
Thank fuck for London.
Thank fuck for the city, for the urban, for the metropole, who will get their shit together and heal together, despite the reactionaries everywhere begging us to turn on each other. And for everyone else, thank you for your genuine grief, condolences and support.

I'm out.

 

[Blitzballer]

And people are more concerned with banning Trump from the UK. Fucking speechless

 

[joethegill]

I've just got home from London tonight.

Won't lie, I'm not in a good place right now.

 

[Son of Cod]

The most worrying thing is the fact the van and gang got away and what will they do next?

In fact, no, the most worrying thing is the Labour London Mayor stating that "terror is part and parcel of living in a big ciy - get used to it".

Except he never said "get used to it". He said being prepared for terrorism is part and parcel of living in a big city. And that was about 9 months ago.

I was on a bus that went past the North end of London Bridge about 20mins after the incident. Makes you think.

 

[Cornish Piskie]

And what, pray tell, should be done.

From a professional point of view, all that can be done is to take each individual incident on its merits, find, examine, analyse and assess each individual piece of evidence and build the picture.

There is a saying in Forensic Investigation, it's known as Locard's Law (Edmond Locard was the father of modern forensic science) and we swear by it. "Every time you make contact with another person, place, or thing, it results in an exchange of physical materials." This is often shortened down to "Every contact leaves a trace." Trust me, whatever there is to be found, will be found.

The problem with these attacks at present is that it seems the perpetrators have adjusted their tactics.

There are basically two kinds of policing: The usual "reactive" policing, whereby a crime is committed and the police respond to a complaint. And then there is "proactive" or "Intelligence Led" policing whereby the rozzers work in conjunction with the security and intelligence services in an attempt to head off attacks and prevent them before they can be carried out.

Intelligence Led Policing has been quite successful in recent years and a number of conspiracies have been thwarted. Digital communications can be relatively easily intercepted, or monitored so mobile phone calls, emails, texts and social media tracking has contributed to a number of arrests and prosecutions regarding various plots.

Recent legislation, giving the security and police services increased powers (at, it has to be said, great cost to individual liberty and privacy) has also been very successful in combatting this sort of crime.

But it seems the offenders are getting wise to their weak spots and it would appear that their tactics have shifted. If no warnings of attacks are being intercepted in digital form, this suggests that conspirators have adopted different methods of communication which are much more difficult to intercept. They may be, for example, doing something as simple as using a runner with a note to carry messages. That is speculation but imagine how difficult it might be to crack a close knit terrorist cell that uses simple but effective methods for communicating. In any terrorist conspiracy, effective communications are everything.

The attacks themselves have become very low-tech. No specialist skills needed. No bomb factories (with the exception of Manchester) needed. A van.... a knife... a black market gun. The end product may not be spectacular (from their point of view, I hasten to add), but it still grabs the headlines. It still results in death and mayhem. It still makes the public nervous and gets all of us looking over our shoulder.

Perhaps the criminals have taken back a bit of the initiative at this time and the security and police services now have to respond to that. All we can do is put our trust and faith in them that all that can be done will be done.

 

[Redfox]

Come on now people.

Islam has nothing to do with Islam!

 

[Super_horns]

Again very sad.

These people in some cases seem to be one step ahead of the authorities who do work hard to try and combat the terrorists.

 

[silkyman]

Seems the gunfire people heard was armed police killing the attackers within eight minutes of the attack starting, which is pretty impressive.

There was a peak in attacks in France in the build up to their election too. It's almost as if ISIS want to push westerners towards hard right governance to help force local Muslims towards their ideology...

 

[The Eyes of Self Actual]

And what, pray tell, should be done.

The problem has got to a point now where it’s hard to stop these regular attacks. There have been 4 this year in the UK but across Europe they are very common.

Number one we need to identify the problem (radical Islam). And understand that many followers of Islam do read the books and will follow what is in them (death to the disbelievers).

Maybe only 5-10% of Muslims will follow the books. But now Europe’s Islamic populations are so huge (and rapidly increasing) we will have a steady conveyer belt of radical Muslim’s wanting to murder all non-believers. Nothing much we can do about this. Exactly as the Labour Mayor of London states “part and parcel”.

Obviously we could have done something to stop this in the past, but whenever someone speaks up the dreaded RACIST word is thrown about to stop debate.

So we could stop doing that I suppose? And listen to people with genuine concerns? Don’t ban people you disagree with on forums – listen to them, they might have a point.

On a wider scale Trump has good suggestions. Travel bans. Detailed background searches (I can still hear the left screaming in pain over these perfectly OK suggestions).

We could close down all extremists mosques. Expel extremists here. Jail ISIS supporters.

But the main thing we need to do is control our borders. Yes, we will have the regular attacks – not much we can do about that – but if you don’t think this will and can get ALOT worse, then you are extremely naive. A couple of attacks a year is not really a problem (part and parcel) – but let’s not make it worse. Let’s protect Europe.

 

[mistermagic]

Hope everyone is ok.

That's the 2nd time I've posted that comment and it seriously bothers me. Something needs to be done.

 

[JoshBCFC]

The problem has got to a point now where it’s hard to stop these regular attacks. There have been 4 this year in the UK but across Europe they are very common.

Number one we need to identify the problem (radical Islam). And understand that many followers of Islam do read the books and will follow what is in them (death to the disbelievers).

Maybe only 5-10% of Muslims will follow the books. But now Europe’s Islamic populations are so huge (and rapidly increasing) we will have a steady conveyer belt of radical Muslim’s wanting to murder all non-believers. Nothing much we can do about this. Exactly as the Labour Mayor of London states “part and parcel”.

Obviously we could have done something to stop this in the past, but whenever someone speaks up the dreaded RACIST word is thrown about to stop debate.

So we could stop doing that I suppose? And listen to people with genuine concerns? Don’t ban people you disagree with on forums – listen to them, they might have a point.

On a wider scale Trump has good suggestions. Travel bans. Detailed background searches (I can still hear the left screaming in pain over these perfectly OK suggestions).

We could close down all extremists mosques. Expel extremists here. Jail ISIS supporters.

But the main thing we need to do is control our borders. Yes, we will have the regular attacks – not much we can do about that – but if you don’t think this will and can get ALOT worse, then you are extremely naive. A couple of attacks a year is not really a problem (part and parcel) – but let’s not make it worse. Let’s protect Europe.

You're not hinting at banning Muslims from the country... are you?

 

[The Eyes of Self Actual]

You're not hinting at banning Muslims from the country

It would be a good start.
And immigration should be at least a 2 year process where detailed monitoring is performed - all social media passwords handed over, etc.
We need to protect our people and our children. We are failing to do that.
Let the Muslims live their lives in their countries. Let us live in peace in Europe.