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German National Anthem here:

No, that's not the German National Anthem, that's the Anthem of the "Deutsches Reich" because it contains all 3 verses. In Germany the first 2 verses are not used, only the 3rd strophe "Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit" is used now.
 

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It's also the national anthem of Northern Ireland, which led to the bizarre situation once where, before a match between Northern Ireland and England at Windsor Park in Belfast, the band played God Save The Queen twice..!!

You couldn't make it up.
And when they'll play against the mighty Liechtenstein, they'll hear the tune twice too (although the text is different)

 

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As long as Liechtenstein don't do a San Marino on us, we should be pretty safe.


8.3 seconds. I believe it's still the quickest ever goal in a world cup match, either qualifying or tournament proper.
 

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"Trelawney's Army" The national anthem of Cornwall (with English and Kernewek lyrics)

Interesting.

Lower Saxony has an own hymn too, the "Niedersachsen-Lied" (Lower Saxony hymn). But it's too pathetic, so I won't show it here.


btw: Trelawney? Reminds me of a character of one of my all-time favourite books, Squire Trelawney from Robert Louis Stevenson's "Treasure Island". Can't count how often I read it as a youngster in german, english and I tried it even in french (in school), but gave up on this :D. Anyway, just a little sidenote.
 
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Interesting.

Lower Saxony has an own hymn too, the "Niedersachsen-Lied" (Lower Saxony hymn). But it's too pathetic, so I won't show it here.


btw: Trelawney? Reminds me of a character of one of my all-time favourite books, Squire Trelawney from Robert Louis Stevenson's "Treasure Island". Can't count how often I read it as a youngster in german, english and I tried it even in french (in school), but gave up on this :D. Anyway, just a little sidenote.
By Tre, Pol and Pen ye'll know Cornishmen.

Many surnames begin with one of those prefixes, Dirk. Names like Trelawney, Poldark and Pendennis are quite common here.

I love the Disney movie version of Treasure Island, with Robert Newton as the dastardly Long John Silver. Yarrrr...!! This area is infamous for 17th and 18th century pirates in the form of "Wreckers". If you saw the coastline, you'd know why.

The Trelawney in the song was Sir Jonathan Trelawney, a 17th century Bishop of Exeter who petitioned against James II's legislation which granted religious tolerance to Catholics, and was a follower of William of Orange in the Glorious Revolution.

Trelawney was thrown into the Tower of London on charges of sedition which could have led to a horrible death for him had it gone the distance. But Cornishmen rose up in his defence and after three weeks he was released.

He's quite a folk hero here.

I think it's brilliant that territories such as yours and ours have their own regional identity. If you want to post your anthem, then go right on ahead. Whether you think it's good or bad, it's yours. Be proud...!!
 

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. If you want to post your anthem, then go right on ahead. Whether you think it's good or bad, it's yours. Be proud...!!
Problem is, at youtube you can find the tune sung by a german "crooner" whom I really despise (since my childhood ) and other versions sung by right wing nut jobs and I don't want to show this here (it was the same reason why I asked the TO to delete the version of the "Deutschland-Lied" with all 3 stanzas because right wings and nazis still sing only the 1st verse (I bet you know why. They'll never learn and even can't understand that this text was written in the 1840's with the dream of the end of the divided german countries and it's about (German) Unity and not superiority. Damn, I hate these fools)
If you're interested in the lyrics, I found a site which had made an english translation. Some really nationalistic tone in it, so be prepared ;). One example (of the english translation)

We are the Lower Saxonians,
Steadfast and sons of the soil,
Hail to Duke Widukind's tribe! :|
Where did the Varus' legions fall?
Where did the Roman scum sink?
In Lower Saxony's mountains,
On Lower Saxony's rage
Who threw the Roman eagle
Down to the sand?
http://www.nationalanthems.us/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1098045329
 
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Problem is, at youtube you can find the tune sung by a german "crooner" whom I really despise (since my childhood ) and other versions sung by right wing nut jobs and I don't want to show this here (it was the same reason why I asked the TO to delete the version of the "Deutschland-Lied" with all 3 stanzas because right wings and nazis still sing only the 1st verse (I bet you know why. They'll never learn and even can't understand that this text was written in the 1840's with the dream of the end of the divided german countries and it's about (German) Unity and not superiority. Damn, I hate these fools)
If you're interested in the lyrics, I found a site which had made an english translation. Some really nationalistic tone in it, so be prepared ;). One example (of the english translation)
Thank you for providing that, Dirk. My interest, I assure you, is entirely academic. Sometimes we need to acknowledge things we find distasteful in order to understand them. It's how we learn. Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them.

Our own national anthem has had verses added by various groups or individuals with their own agenda down the years. The English and Scots were at each other's throats for hundreds of years and this reflected in the attempts of both sides to insert their own propaganda into the national anthem.

During the Jacobite Rebellion of 1745, supporters of Bonnie Prince Charlie began to sing:

God bless the prince, I pray,
Charlie I mean;
That Scotland we may see
Freed from vile Presbyt'ry,
Both George and his Feckie,
Ever so, Amen.


This was never made official however. 'George' being George III, by the way (who had enough problems on his plate in the American Colonies..!!). You'll have to ask a Scot what a Feckie is. I'm sure it isn't complimentary. LOL.

Not being ones to let any challenge go without turning it into a bloodbath, the English sent an army led by Field Marshall Wade to the Scottish borders with the following inserted into the national anthem:

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God save the King.


Oh, we do love to pick a fight with the Scots, don't we..?

National Anthems are fine for Presidents and Prime Ministers on State occasions but I sometimes wonder if they're really necessary at sporting events. I can understand them being used at, say, an Olympic medal ceremony because it takes place after the event is complete, a winner is declared, and are celebratory in nature, but are they necessary before football matches and the like..?

Surely the players just want to get on with the game and sometimes it's better not to stir up the emotions of volatile crowds.

I like the Champions League anthem. It's neutral, it means only one brief piece of music is played and it's lyrics have no nationalistic element in them whatsoever. All done and dusted very quickly, nobody beats their chest over it and then we can get on with the football.

One pan-European anthem for our showpiece football competition. That works for me.
 

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Thank you for providing that, Dirk. My interest, I assure you, is entirely academic. Sometimes we need to acknowledge things we find distasteful in order to understand them. It's how we learn. Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them.
Of course. But on the other hand posting a yt video with this "scum" (or the crooner (Schnulzensänger) singing the tune makes me feel uncomfortable and I don't want to be associated with it.

I like the Champions League anthem. It's neutral, it means only one brief piece of music is played and it's lyrics have no nationalistic element in them whatsoever. All done and dusted very quickly, nobody beats their chest over it and then we can get on with the football.
I really love this CL anthem. It's written by Tony Britten, right? Reminds me a bit of Georg Friedrich Händel's classics

One pan-European anthem for our showpiece football competition. That works for me.
For me, too. And as a convinced European and of the European Union I like the official hymn of the European Union, of course (and no, not only because it's from the German Beethoven but because it's one of the most enjoyable pieces of classical music (for me). Yeah, I know it's not popular here (or in other english forums) to write that you like the European Union but anyway...I do!
Here (in original german)


and here with an english translation:


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This was never made official however. 'George' being George III, by the way (who had enough problems on his plate in the American Colonies..!!). You'll have to ask a Scot what a Feckie is. I'm sure it isn't complimentary. LOL.
I know him, of course. He's one of the british monarchs who originated from the House of Hannover (Kingdom of Hannover is nowadays more or less Lower Saxony) and he was even King of Hannover and electoral prince of Braunschweig-Lüneburg (btw: I studied in Braunschweig in the mid 80's ;) ).
If I remember correctly he was the first of the House of Hannover who was born in England and had English as his native language? Wasn't this George III too young in 1745 to be monarch? Or do I confuse him with another monarch?
btw: Feckie :D ( I have a clue what this could mean...I will later google it when I am at home)
 
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Soviet anthem really is the greatest of all times isn't it.
Aye it is. That, La Marseillaise, and your own Land Of My Fathers (though as with ours, not an anthem as we all have to sing that god awful God Save The Queen being 'British') are three of my favourites.
 

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I really love this CL anthem. It's written by Tony Britten, right? Reminds me a bit of Georg Friedrich Händel's classics
It is a decent anthem and I do get excited when Liverpool haven't been in the CL for a long time to hear it again; however its nowhere near on Handel's level (my third favourite classical composer of them all).

Also Beethoven's Ninth is probably the great piece of musical work ever written imo; and I've been listening to heavy symphonic stuff recently in Shostakovich (hence the avatar) and Mahler (though the finale of Mahler's Resurrection Symphony is absolutely astonishing).
 

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It is a decent anthem and I do get excited when Liverpool haven't been in the CL for a long time to hear it again; however its nowhere near on Handel's level (my third favourite classical composer of them all).
I wrote "reminds me a bit of Händel" not that he can match the genius. If you listen to Händel's "Zadok the priest" you can hear what I mean, looks like that Britten took it as an inspiration to compose the CL hymn


btw: What a coincidence. Händel is my 3rd favourite classical composer too (behind Beethoven and Bach. )

Also Beethoven's Ninth is probably the great piece of musical work ever written imo; and I've been listening to heavy symphonic stuff recently in Shostakovich (hence the avatar) and Mahler (though the finale of Mahler's Resurrection Symphony is absolutely astonishing).
Nice to hear that you like classical music too. I like my Rock music from the 70's but often I hear classical music too
 
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I wrote "reminds me a bit of Händel" not that he can match the genius. If you listen to Händel's "Zadok the priest" you can hear what I mean, looks like that Britten took it as an inspiration to compose the CL hymn


btw: What a coincidence. Händel is my 3rd favourite classical composer too (behind Beethoven and Bach. )



Nice to hear that you like classical music too. I like my Rock music from the 70's but often I hear classical music too
Funny after I wrote that earlier, I went to my mp3's and started listening to Handel for a bit, and had Zadok on too. Beethoven is also my favourite, used to be followed by Mozart and then Wagner, but moved Handel up as Wagner can at times be just a load of noise (tried the Ring Cycle as my dad had it on CD, but apart from one or two pieces, I couldn't get into it), though at others he can take you places you never thought were possible (prelude to act 1 - Lohengrin for example). Was speaking about Bach yesterday to someone funnily enough, as he spoke about how he admired Eric Johnson and his undisputed technical prowess, but can't warm to his stuff, especially against someone like BB King. I feel the same way about Bach, his technical ability is unquestionable, but most of his stuff I cannot warm to, unlike his contemporaries in Handel and Vivaldi.

I love all sorts of music too, from rock to soul (had Nina Simone blaring earlier on!), to folk, electronic stuff (your countrymen in Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream are fabulous), and dance/techno stuff growing up. However I was raised on classical as my dad would have Ode To Joy blaring each Sunday morning along with Also sprach Zarathustra and Wagnerian overtures; and once I hit my early Twenties I came back to it.
 

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Thank you for providing that, Dirk. My interest, I assure you, is entirely academic. Sometimes we need to acknowledge things we find distasteful in order to understand them. It's how we learn. Those who fail to learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them.

Our own national anthem has had verses added by various groups or individuals with their own agenda down the years. The English and Scots were at each other's throats for hundreds of years and this reflected in the attempts of both sides to insert their own propaganda into the national anthem.

During the Jacobite Rebellion of 1745, supporters of Bonnie Prince Charlie began to sing:

God bless the prince, I pray,
Charlie I mean;
That Scotland we may see
Freed from vile Presbyt'ry,
Both George and his Feckie,
Ever so, Amen.


This was never made official however. 'George' being George III, by the way (who had enough problems on his plate in the American Colonies..!!). You'll have to ask a Scot what a Feckie is. I'm sure it isn't complimentary. LOL.

Not being ones to let any challenge go without turning it into a bloodbath, the English sent an army led by Field Marshall Wade to the Scottish borders with the following inserted into the national anthem:

Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
and like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God save the King.
Never heard that song sung by the Jacobean's but I do know that the song for God Save The [insert interbred monarch] was Jacobean in origin anyway and the English stole that off us, changed the lyrics and inserted those lines into the anthem for propaganda. Interesting stuff.
 

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Funny after I wrote that earlier, I went to my mp3's and started listening to Handel for a bit, and had Zadok on too. Beethoven is also my favourite, used to be followed by Mozart and then Wagner, but moved Handel up as Wagner can at times be just a load of noise (tried the Ring Cycle as my dad had it on CD, but apart from one or two pieces, I couldn't get into it), though at others he can take you places you never thought were possible (prelude to act 1 - Lohengrin for example).
I know what you mean concerning Wagner :D. It's bombastic sometimes, really annoying sometimes. But his contribution is unquestionable nonetheless. The Nazis were all wanking about it of course, German myths and bombastic music, perfect for them, unfortunately. They "instrumentalized" the annual Wagner festivals at Bayreuth.

Was speaking about Bach yesterday to someone funnily enough, as he spoke about how he admired Eric Johnson and his undisputed technical prowess, but can't warm to his stuff, especially against someone like BB King. I feel the same way about Bach, his technical ability is unquestionable, but most of his stuff I cannot warm to, unlike his contemporaries in Handel and Vivaldi.
That's ok. You can't love them all, I personally can't warm myself with Mozart "stuff", maybe because he was Austrian like Hitler? ;)

I love all sorts of music too, from rock to soul (had Nina Simone blaring earlier on!), to folk, electronic stuff (your countrymen in Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream are fabulous), and dance/techno stuff growing up.
No dance/techno stuff for me, god beware. But I like all the other directions you mentioned too

However I was raised on classical as my dad would have Ode To Joy blaring each Sunday morning along with Also sprach Zarathustra and Wagnerian overtures; and once I hit my early Twenties I came back to it.
Although I don't know him I like your dad instantly. Can't do wrong with Beethoven, Strauss and even Wagner. Give him my regards!.

Damn, we are way off topic here with our classics conversation. Hope the Mods won't warn or ban us ...ah wait... :D
 
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btw: What a coincidence. Händel is my 3rd favourite classical composer too (behind Beethoven and Bach. )

Nice to hear that you like classical music too. I like my Rock music from the 70's but often I hear classical music too
Gentlemen.... this thread is turning into an absolute delight. It's a pleasure to read (and contribute to).

As a girl I took dance classes - mostly ballet - and as a result I grew up being influenced by Russian composers, mostly Tchaikovsky (for obvious reasons)

But not long ago I found a cache of Bach cantatas on CD at my local library and I just had to try them out. Apparently, about 200 of these works survive and, according to the sleeve notes, to fully appreciate them you need to match the music to the religious sentiment. You know the sort of thing….. the sighing of the tormented soul…. The leaping heart at the mention of Jesus and so on.

The problem is, the adult me is a non-believer and there is only so much breast-beating, 18th century Lutheran piety that a poor lapsed Catholic can handle, so I started to simply listen to the music and did my best to ignore the libretto.

Such music..!! It was breathtaking to discover movements of the highest genius that I never before knew existed. Forgive the cliché, but even with God taken out, J S Bach is the gift that keeps on giving.


I still like Tchaikovsky too, though. A bit.
 
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