PL shit that doesn't need it's own thread.

[Super_horns]

Wonder how Mr Drinkwater might feel...

 

[G.B]

Then use Newcastle, a much nicer place

They already do. Most of their players live and socialise in Newcastle.

 

[PDS]

Jesse Lingard is set to a sign a new contract at Manchester United for a reported £100k per week.

Just thought I'd share that so we can all laugh at United now pissing money up the wall for the hell of it.

Don't blame the guy for taking it, he'll undoubtedly be at Sunderland in four years. But Jesus Christ United have gone mental.

 

[johnnytodd]

Jesse Lingard is set to a sign a new contract at Manchester United for a reported £100k per week.

Just thought I'd share that so we can all laugh at United now pissing money up the wall for the hell of it.

Don't blame the guy for taking it, he'll undoubtedly be at Sunderland in four years. But Jesus Christ United have gone mental.

Pennies to the biggest club in the world I suppose.

 

[Nilsson]

Just thought I'd share that so we can all laugh at United now pissing money up the wall for the hell of it.

Remember when little old Bournemouth spent 15 million on Jordon fucking Ibe.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Remember when little old Bournemouth spent 15 million on Jordon fucking Ibe.

Being kept out of the side by Marc Pugh and Ryan Fraser, a combined 400k. Swings and roundabouts on that one.

I bet the agent of every other United middling squad player must be rubbing their... hands.. together at the prospect of wrangling a similar deal for their client. Not to mention the agent of any summer targets United have. Fair play Jesse.

 

[Nilsson]

I bet the agent of every other United middling squad player must be rubbing their... hands.. together at the prospect of wrangling a similar deal for their client. Not to mention the agent of any summer targets United have.

You're talking as if this is a new thing, Phil Neville was getting 60k more than ten years ago.

And he was worth it because he was an important squad player, as Jesse Lingard has proven himself to be over the past year.

 

[GodsGift]

I'm guessing United are being forced to pay over the odds because 1) he's English and 2) they're struggling for Home Grown players?

 

[Bilo]

I'm guessing United are being forced to pay over the odds because 1) he's English and 2) they're struggling for Home Grown players?

Those two factors are both incredibly secondary to the fact that the just have a shitload of money. If you spend world class money and pay world class wages to certain players, it trickles down all the way down to what you pay your five appearances a season reserves.

Here's the issue United are facing: Lingard demands ridiculous wages, all parties know it. But with the wages other players earn on that bench, it's precisely what he should have. Buying a another player would either be too good for the bench (forcing another 100k a week player to the bench), or simply a worse choice than Lingard. United have had a huge turnover of players over the past year as well, so there's certainly value in just keeping the players who kind of fit their role. While he'll never be world class, Lingard is a good squad winger at this moment in time for United, they have many more pressing issues.

Basically, all things considered, there's a reason Lingard demand those wages because as ridiculous as it sounds, it's worth paying it for United. It's easy laughing at, but when you consider all factors involved, it's the most sensible option; especially financially.*






* I come up with a post defending United about once a year to be able to refer to it saying that I do defend United from time to time. I'll go wash my hands now.

 

[G-Dragon]

Bbbbbbbut!

 

[SALTIRE]

Pennies to the biggest club in the world I suppose.

But he doesn't play for Real Madrid.

 

[johnnytodd]

God this forum is rife of boring plastic Liverpool fans.

Grim.

 

[SALTIRE]

God this forum is rife of boring plastic Liverpool fans.

Grim.

Go somewhere else then, most wonder why you're still here anyway.

 

[ThisTinpotLeague]

I think Lingard is pretty good

 

[Benji]

He has a degree in dabbing.

 

[Super_horns]

Mr Mackenzie writing in a negative light about somebody from Liverpool again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39601728

 

[SALTIRE]

I'm sure Kelvin McKenzie has went down in johnnytodd's eyes with that article...

 

[Benji]

It's a bizarre piece of writing in both its apparent aim and method. Hopefully the author gets in some hot water that doesn't create a morbid demand for the publication. As an overall point, I really think this sort of euphemistic drumming up of hatred (racial or otherwise) ought to be curbed in the press somehow.

 

[johnnytodd]

I'm sure Kelvin McKenzie has went down in johnnytodd's eyes with that article...

I have no time for that shithouse and I'm not prepared to type his scum of a name...he would last 2 minutes in this city as you well know.

 

[johnnytodd]

Go somewhere else then, most wonder why you're still here anyway.

Must of missed that poll.

 

[Renegade]

I don't get Kelvin MacKenzie. Why is he such a c***? Is his mission simply to be hated by the city of Liverpool? How is a 'journalist' allowed to get a baseless racially charged opinion piece published? An opinion piece on a city whose civilians he claimed stole from the dead and pissed on police officers? Ross Barkley deserves to be attacked for what exactly? Unbelievable. I wish the nation would boycott the c***.

 

[GodsGift]

I don't understand how that 'piece' ever got passed the sub-editors. News UK have apologised but they're just as responsible for publishing it in the first place. The column would have been read time and time again and still they deemed it acceptable. The shit MacKenzie comes out with doesn't surprise me and as much as The S*n is a shit rag, there's a certain press code they have to adhere to and they've just completely ignored it for this.

 

[Bilo]

I don't get Kelvin MacKenzie. Why is he such a c***? Is his mission simply to be hated by the city of Liverpool? How is a 'journalist' allowed to get a baseless racially charged opinion piece published? An opinion piece on a city whose civilians he claimed stole from the dead and pissed on police officers? Ross Barkley deserves to be attacked for what exactly? Unbelievable. I wish the nation would boycott the c***.

I don't understand how that 'piece' ever got passed the sub-editors. News UK have apologised but they're just as responsible for publishing it in the first place. The column would have been read time and time again and still they deemed it acceptable. The shit MacKenzie comes out with doesn't surprise me and as much as The S*n is a shit rag, there's a certain press code they have to adhere to and they've just completely ignored it for this.

While a columnist can have a journalism degree, a columnist isn't a journalist in the strictest sense of the word. So you have to start off with that, it affects a lot of things, especially in the editing process.

Most newspapers, even the S*n, will have a standing disclaimer regarding the columns as in "the views express bla bla bla" you know it. It doesn't really mean anything in legal terms, but it does in practical terms. Because if a journalistic piece of bullshit is published, the newspaper will take a significantly bigger hit both financially, legally and credibility wise than they ever will do through a column, within reason of course. So they are always more prone to taking risks in the column section than anywhere else. And when the S*n, who are already way off limits when it comes to taking risks within the journalistic profession, you get columns like this.

 

[Benji]

Everton have banned The Sun now. Hopefully the other 92 clubs follow. Also think it's a bit rich for the likes of Ian Wright to condemn this sort of thing but still take a salary from them.

 

[GodsGift]

While a columnist can have a journalism degree, a columnist isn't a journalist in the strictest sense of the word. So you have to start off with that, it affects a lot of things, especially in the editing process.

Most newspapers, even the S*n, will have a standing disclaimer regarding the columns as in "the views express bla bla bla" you know it. It doesn't really mean anything in legal terms, but it does in practical terms. Because if a journalistic piece of bullshit is published, the newspaper will take a significantly bigger hit both financially, legally and credibility wise than they ever will do through a column, within reason of course. So they are always more prone to taking risks in the column section than anywhere else. And when the S*n, who are already way off limits when it comes to taking risks within the journalistic profession, you get columns like this.

MacKenzie is a former editor, of course he's a journalist. Just happens to be a scummy one who is a stain on the industry.

 

[Renegade]

To be fair, his wikipedia article even states that he wasn't much of a writer, I always just assumed he was a former journalist.

MacKenzie has said that he discovered early on in his career that he had little writing ability and that his talents lay in making up headlines and laying out pages.[3] By 1978, at the age of 32, he was managing editor of the New York Post, two years after it had been purchased by Rupert Murdoch.

Still, an editor of a world famous newspaper should understand journalistic integrity. Scum. Wishful thinking that this could be the straw that breaks the camel's back with regards to general population's view of The Sun? If every club boycotted The Sun, the show of solidarity could have wider reaching consequences. Yeah, I know, very wishful thinking.

 

[Bilo]

MacKenzie is a former editor, of course he's a journalist. Just happens to be a scummy one who is a stain on the industry.

To be fair, his wikipedia article even states that he wasn't much of a writer, I always just assumed he was a former journalist.

Still, an editor of a world famous newspaper should understand journalistic integrity. Scum. Wishful thinking that this could be the straw that breaks the camel's back with regards to general population's view of The Sun? If every club boycotted The Sun, the show of solidarity could have wider reaching consequences. Yeah, I know, very wishful thinking.

Just because you're a journalist doesn't mean what you do is journalism. That was half the point of the post. A columnist can be a journalist, just in the sense that a football manager also can be an airplane pilot. But when it comes to "journalism", columnism is something completely different. As it should be, and it's not in any way controversial. Rather the opposite, it's quite common knowledge. Furthermore, once you cross the line towards writing opinions rather than facts, you can't really go back (there are a few examples but they are very, very rare).

Journalism in theory is based on facts and the impartial presentation of them, to the extent possible while the editorial routines come to decide what's relevant. Columnism is based on opinions and it's meant to be as partial as possible, with nothing but the writer deciding what he or she finds relevant to defend the standpoint. It's more the exact opposite of each other than anything else and should therefore be treated as such.

 

[Pagnell]

Bilo, he's a journalist, just a vile, shit one. Don't worry, just because you're one too it doesn't mean anyone is tarring you with the same brush.

 

[GodsGift]

Just because you're a journalist doesn't mean what you do is journalism. That was half the point of the post. A columnist can be a journalist, just in the sense that a football manager also can be an airplane pilot. But when it comes to "journalism", columnism is something completely different. As it should be, and it's not in any way controversial. Rather the opposite, it's quite common knowledge. Furthermore, once you cross the line towards writing opinions rather than facts, you can't really go back (there are a few examples but they are very, very rare).

Journalism in theory is based on facts and the impartial presentation of them, to the extent possible while the editorial routines come to decide what's relevant. Columnism is based on opinions and it's meant to be as partial as possible, with nothing but the writer deciding what he or she finds relevant to defend the standpoint. It's more the exact opposite of each other than anything else and should therefore be treated as such.

Thanks for the lecture, I also happen to be a journalist.

I'm not talking in general, I'm talking about MacKenzie. He has edited the country's most popular newspaper and he's worked as a reporter for his local paper and the Daily Express and then went on to work in TV and radio. He's a journalist.

 

[Bilo]

Thanks for the lecture, I also happen to be a journalist.

I'm not talking in general, I'm talking about MacKenzie. He has edited the country's most popular newspaper and he's worked as a reporter for his local paper and the Daily Express and then went on to work in TV and radio. He's a journalist.

Bilo, he's a journalist, just a vile, shit one. Don't worry, just because you're one too it doesn't mean anyone is tarring you with the same brush.

He can be a journalist but he's not doing journalism when he's writing a column. Just like my posts on this forum isn't journalism just because I have a degree in it. Journalism is impartial, columnism is partial. Downright opposite, treat it as such. The S*n is a fucked up newspaper enough to not have to look into their columns to bash their journalism, because the two have literally nothing to do with each other.

And if you're a journalist GodsGift, you should know very well why in this moment in time, when journalism is repeatedly attacked by the powers that be, that the line between opinions and journalism has to be stressed over and over again.

But maybe it's my credibility on the forum that's hitting me here, here's the wikipedia articles with lots of good sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columnist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalist