Another leader gone..

[Aber gas]

Here's Nuttall with a mate.

 

[Red]

What if your your mate down the pub is thick as mince?

It doesn't matter, so long as he can appeal to other people who are thicker.

 

[silkyman]

Here's Nuttall with a mate.
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Who is that?

 

[Jockney]

As long as the threat of their rise helps hold the big two accountable who cares. It's not like they're getting anywhere near power.

If by hold to account you mean shift the traditional centre further and further to the right then yeah totally. Good job UKIP, watchdog for Westminster....

 

[Aber gas]

Who is that?

The leader of the EDL in the Stockport area.

 

[Abertawe]

What if your your mate down the pub is thick as mince?

It doesn't matter. The mate down the pub still has a vote.

 

[johnnytodd]

The leader of the EDL in the Stockport area.

Remind us how many atrocities the EDL have commited in comparison to some of Corbyn's mates like the IRA and Hamas?

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

If by hold to account you mean shift the traditional centre further and further to the right then yeah totally. Good job UKIP, watchdog for Westminster....

The centre is what the people make it. UKIP can't force themselves to be popular, that's up to the public. What I mean by hold them accountable is provide an alternative for the electorate should the big two betray them (such as with the Brexit vote), but I think you already knew that. Maybe if the Greens were to pull their finger out and produce a leader vaguely tethered to reality with a modicum of charisma then perhaps they could produce a similar threat on the other end of the spectrum, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Jockney]

The centre is what the people make it. UKIP can't force themselves to be popular, that's up to the public. What I mean by hold them accountable is provide an alternative for the electorate should the big two betray them (such as with the Brexit vote), but I think you already knew that. Maybe if the Greens were to pull their finger out and produce a leader vaguely tethered to reality with a modicum of charisma then perhaps they could produce a similar threat on the other end of the spectrum, but I won't hold my breath.

I know what you mean. It is the 'who cares' part that struck me. As if UKIP actually have an ombudsman role in politics, rather than being a very well-funded political machine that has already proven to be more than adept at influencing discourse to their own ends. They will no doubt give Westminster something to think about: a populist xenophobic narrative that has traction with increasingly alienated, desperate and/or racist sections of the electorate, of course that appeals to large elements within both major parties. It is something we should oppose at every juncture, though.

Like, this horseshoe approach is becoming particularly galling in this epoch. It seems as though people want change even if that change runs dangerously close to fascism. Equivalence of the radical left and the far right is really dumb.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

They're every bit as authoritarian, tribalist and prone to violence, they just discriminate based on political ideology instead of religion or race.

 

[mowgli]

I know what you mean. It is the 'who cares' part that struck me. As if UKIP actually have an ombudsman role in politics, rather than being a very well-funded political machine that has already proven to be more than adept at influencing discourse to their own ends. They will no doubt give Westminster something to think about: a populist xenophobic narrative that has traction with increasingly alienated, desperate and/or racist sections of the electorate, of course that appeals to large elements within both major parties. It is something we should oppose at every juncture, though.

Like, this horseshoe approach is becoming particularly galling in this epoch. It seems as though people want change even if that change runs dangerously close to fascism. Equivalence of the radical left and the far right is really dumb.

What utter bollocks. So you're saying anyone like myself who is a member of UKIP is a fascist? I abhor racism and voted for UKIP because i want our laws made in Parliament not by faceless bureaucrats across the channel who force us to to accept their rules on who we can deport even if they are a threat to British citizens because of their human rights act. Just because i want what in my opinion is best for our country when we leave an imploding EU to call people like me as a fascist is pathetic. We all have our own views on the Brexit vote but don't label those who disagree with your view in such harsh terms.

 

[Aber gas]

The UKIP membership is full of fascists, the leader associates with active white supremacists, its founding membership and organisational committee were drawn from disaffected fascist parties like the English Democrats and BNP.
The policies are regressive and fascistic and a lot of their membership don't hide their ambition for UKIP to move beyond a single issue movement to become a far right nationalist party in line with fronte Nationale etc.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

I don't see a party that ousts ex-BNP members more openly and swiftly than UKIP does. And do you really want to be invoking association fallacies the week Gerry Adams' chum Corbyn praised Castro?

 

[Aber gas]

Been round and round this issue before. These are facts. Not sure why they bother you.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Because they're not facts, they're you cherry picking and then generalizing. You're doing the same thing the people you hate do.

 

[Aber gas]

Which part of what I posted isn't true?

 

[mnb089mnb]

The centre is what the people make it. UKIP can't force themselves to be popular, that's up to the public. What I mean by hold them accountable is provide an alternative for the electorate should the big two betray them (such as with the Brexit vote), but I think you already knew that. Maybe if the Greens were to pull their finger out and produce a leader vaguely tethered to reality with a modicum of charisma then perhaps they could produce a similar threat on the other end of the spectrum, but I won't hold my breath.

I disagree with the point about "tethered to reality" considering the views of many in UKIP with regards to climate change.

 

[Abertawe]

I don't see a party that ousts ex-BNP members more openly and swiftly than UKIP does.

Yeah I wouldn't tick that down as a positive.

And do you really want to be invoking association fallacies the week Gerry Adams' chum Corbyn praised Castro?

And are you really conflating someone who delivered the rights of education, healthcare & shelter to an entire population with people who openly admit they may have influenced Anders Breivik?

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Which part of what I posted isn't true?

I was going to bold the parts I thought were dodgy but honestly almost all of it ranges from misleading, to applicable to other parties, to patently untrue. UKIP was founded over a decade before the English Democrats came onto the scene, for example.

And are you really conflating someone who delivered the rights of education, healthcare & shelter to an entire population with people who openly admit they may have influenced Anders Breivik?

If the person who delivered education, healthcare & shelter was also a murderous dictator then yeah, of course.

 

[Aber gas]

The English Democrats being a direct continuation of a party formed in 1981. This is simple stuff really.

 

[Aber gas]

Farage- " we will never win the nigger vote"
C 1997

 

[Aber gas]

This is UKIP councillor and South Thanet election agent Martyn Heale.

 

[johnnytodd]

Corbyn wants to give the Falklands back to the Argies...........what a bellend he is.

 

[johnnytodd]

 

[Aber gas]

 

[Abertawe]

If the person who delivered education, healthcare & shelter was also a murderous dictator then yeah, of course.

So you deplore these three statements?

"The Queen was saddened to hear of the death of King Fahd, who led Saudi Arabia with wisdom and skill for 22 years. During his reign, Britain and Saudi Arabia enjoyed a very close relationship," the Buckingham Palace statement said.

The Prime Minister said:
I am deeply saddened to hear of the death of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, His Majesty King Abdullah bin Abd Al Aziz Al Saud.
He will be remembered for his long years of service to the Kingdom, for his commitment to peace and for strengthening understanding between faiths. My thoughts and prayers are with the Saudi Royal Family and the people of the Kingdom at this sad time. I sincerely hope that the long and deep ties between our two Kingdoms will continue and that we can continue to work together to strengthen peace and prosperity in the world.

And then the most damning by Farage himself commenting on government buildings having flags at half-mast as being "respect for an ally in the war against terror".

LOL

 

[mnb089mnb]

UKIP supporters will feel betrayed after the UK leaves the EU. The UK will probably maintain links with the EU in some way (via the single market perhaps) and there'll still be brown people on this island. If the economy does falter after the UK leaves I imagine UKIP will blame the EU for it.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

The English Democrats being a direct continuation of a party formed in 1981. This is simple stuff really.

The English Democrats were formed from old members of the English National Party, which wasn't founded in 1981, it ceased operation in 1981. A decade before UKIP was founded.

So you deplore these three statements?

"The Queen was saddened to hear of the death of King Fahd, who led Saudi Arabia with wisdom and skill for 22 years. During his reign, Britain and Saudi Arabia enjoyed a very close relationship," the Buckingham Palace statement said.

The Prime Minister said:
I am deeply saddened to hear of the death of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, His Majesty King Abdullah bin Abd Al Aziz Al Saud.
He will be remembered for his long years of service to the Kingdom, for his commitment to peace and for strengthening understanding between faiths. My thoughts and prayers are with the Saudi Royal Family and the people of the Kingdom at this sad time. I sincerely hope that the long and deep ties between our two Kingdoms will continue and that we can continue to work together to strengthen peace and prosperity in the world.

And then the most damning by Farage himself commenting on government buildings having flags at half-mast as being "respect for an ally in the war against terror".

LOL

I think you've lost track of this discussion a bit. It was me that was arguing that these association fallacies are stupid, which is why Corbyn and his comments were brought up in the first place.

 

[Abertawe]

Just why is Farage receiving pelters today? That Cox is a confused guy if he can't accept politicians cause extremism.

 

[Aber gas]

My favourite bit about today's Farage nonsense is learning what a delicate snowflake he is.
Are big, bad Hope not Hate saying nasty things about you?
Poor Nigey.