Brendan Rodgers

[Pagnell]

http://www.90min.com/posts/2618153-...l-job-after-bayern-munich-contact?a_aid=35396

 

[smat]

Tancredi Palmeri is 100% not to be trusted on anything, so you can relax.

 

[merseyboyred]

Aye, if Tanc says anything it's Not True.

Surely any top level manager like Klopp or Ancelloti, if he is to take on hefty work required at Liverpool, would demand pretty unrestricted control. Otherwise what's the point, he'll just have the same incoherent recruitment dumped on him to fix.

Surely only a less proven manager going there because Liverpool is a step up from where he is currently (like Rogers was), would accept those terms and restrictions.

Klopp happily worked under a Sporting Director at Dortmund and would happily work under a recruitment structure at any job. He's expressly said in the past he wants a DoF/whatever iirc.

In fact most top managers will have done on the continent, it'd more likely be a manager from a lower club in England who'd demand total control in that way.

 

[allouso]

Please no

 

[GodsGift]

MBR is spot on. A lot is made of this 'transfer committee', but do you really think Rodgers was the only manager who didn't have 100% control over a club's transfers? Just the other week Mourinho admitted he had never heard of Papy Djilobodji and he didn't make the signing.

 

[HarvSFC]

Koeman's always said that he'll see out his contract at Southampton. That was after being linked with Man City last season and Holland this season. He just seems like a more trustworthy character than our last manager who verbally agreed to sign a new contract.

 

[Pagnell]

To be fair, there is a substantial difference between lip service after being linked to a club and having to actually turn an official approach down.

 

[SALTIRE]

Ancelotti has worked in those conditions all his managerial career, he'd have no problem with it.

 

[Stevencc]

Ancelotti has worked in those conditions all his managerial career, he'd have no problem with it.

He is also used to working at clubs that are well placed to win both the league and the Champions League upon arrival. Liverpool would be a departure from that, a big departure.

It's Klopp or De Boer.

 

[Whitechapel]

Whoever it is will have agreed to join Liverpool before they sacked Rodgers. Surely an announcement within 24 hours.

 

[ArmchairDiehard]

I'd be surprised if that wasn't that case. These things are usually close to agreement well before the outgoing manager is even putting on his coat.

 

[Pagnell]

I won't post the link but the Daily Mail is claiming Klopp has told Liverpool he will only come to the club if he has total control over the transfer policy.

Might be worth renaming the thread too.

 

[ArmchairDiehard]

It's a no-brainer then isn't it?

 

[Stevencc]

I won't post the link but the Daily Mail is claiming Klopp has told Liverpool he will only come to the club if he has total control over the transfer policy.

Might be worth renaming the thread too.

Do you reckon Liverpool would agree to do that, assuming what the article says is true? It seems to be an important part of what the owners want in place at the club but surely when a manager of Klopp's ability is available they'd be willing to offer him a bit more power than previous managers have been afforded.

 

[Pagnell]

It's a no-brainer then isn't it?

It should be, as Klopp deciding who to buy and sell can't turn out any worse than the bag of shite system we've had in the last 4-5 years. Unfortunately, I can't see FSG allowing themselves to be held to ransom like that if it's true.

 

[Pagnell]

Do you reckon Liverpool would agree to do that, assuming what the article says is true? It seems to be an important part of what the owners want in place at the club but surely when a manager of Klopp's ability is available they'd be willing to offer him a bit more power than previous managers have been afforded.

See above. I hope they agree if it's what he's demanding. They still decide the budget, Klopp just decides who to spend it on.

 

[JimJams]

But surely the calamity of the whole 'transfer committee' is as much to blame for Rodgers (under)achievements as the man himself, so if it's deemed time to turf him out, then it's surely time to get rid of that load of old shit as well.

 

[ArmchairDiehard]

See above. I hope they agree if it's what he's demanding. They still decide the budget, Klopp just decides who to spend it on.

They've got the opportunity to appoint one of the most high-profile in-demand managers. I could understand them wanting to continue using the committee policy if had been successful. It hasn't. You'd hope that FSG have enough about them to accept that they f**ked up and have the common sense to look at ways to put things right.

Agreeing to these demands would be a promising start.

 

[JimJams]

Anyway as said before if you want a manager of Klopps ilk you need to give him what he wants and the time to do it is now (obviously now you're sans manager, but I mean more early/mid season rather than waiting 'til the summer when other clubs may be looking).
You've basically got to give the bloke exactly what he wants or you're going to have to offer the job to total nobodies, relatively speaking.

 

[SALTIRE]

He is also used to working at clubs that are well placed to win both the league and the Champions League upon arrival. Liverpool would be a departure from that, a big departure.

It's Klopp or De Boer.

Yep it probably is and i do t think Carlo would come either. Tbh I wouldn't also mind de Boer.

 

[Pagnell]

Anyway as said before if you want a manager of Klopps ilk you need to give him what he wants and the time to do it is now (obviously now you're sans manager, but I mean more early/mid season rather than waiting 'til the summer when other clubs may be looking).
You've basically got to give the bloke exactly what he wants or you're going to have to offer the job to total nobodies, relatively speaking.

Agree with all of this. If the shitrag's article is true, what happens in the next 72 hours will speak volumes about where Liverpool are heading as a club.

 

[G.B]

MBR is spot on. A lot is made of this 'transfer committee', but do you really think Rodgers was the only manager who didn't have 100% control over a club's transfers? Just the other week Mourinho admitted he had never heard of Papy Djilobodji and he didn't make the signing.

Exactly. And we're also talking about Ancelotti who spent years working with Galliani at Milan. Neither would have a problem with the structure. It's not unique to Liverpool, it's how modern football works.

 

[Pagnell]

Liverpool's transfer record under FSG has on the whole been very poor, with millions spent on players who have not made the grade.

Klopp is understood to have studied this in detail and has already said privately that he doesn't want his own reputation tarnished by being landed with players he hasn't chosen himself.

Rodgers' own belief is that FSG's desire for success on the field will always be put against the background of a desire to sign young players who will subsequently increase in value.

You really can understand why Klopp wouldn't want to be burdened with this transfer committee. It might be how a lot of modern football works, but in the case of Liverpool it's been shown to be a bag of shit.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

MBR is spot on. A lot is made of this 'transfer committee', but do you really think Rodgers was the only manager who didn't have 100% control over a club's transfers? Just the other week Mourinho admitted he had never heard of Papy Djilobodji and he didn't make the signing.

Ancelotti has worked in those conditions all his managerial career, he'd have no problem with it.

Lots of other clubs have people working above the manager, often focused on recruiting, that's true.

However a lot of other clubs do that with far more success than Liverpool have done. A good manager might well accept working within a structure that is established and functioning. Why would a good manager with choices such as Klopp or Ancelotti accept working within a structure that is clearly not functioning very well.

Edit - a point already made by others above.

 

[JimJams]

Perhaps they are of the belief it was all down to mismanagement by Rodgers and are looking to convince suitors of that.

 

[johnnytodd]

Jürgen flopp LOL

 

[SALTIRE]

Jürgen flopp LOL

I wouldn't diss a guy that has won more than Everton has in 30 years pal if I were you.

 

[ArmchairDiehard]

Jürgen flopp LOL

You'd pull your plonker if you could have a flop like that in charge at Everton.

 

[johnnytodd]

And more league titles than Liverpool in the last 25.....lol

 

[merseyboyred]

Klopp's agent in the summer expressly said he doesn't want to be in sole control of transfers - http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ving-to-the-premier-league-his-agent-revealed

One concern Kosicke has is whether English clubs have structure that Klopp prefers and allows him to concentrate solely on matters on the pitch.

“I am not sure the profile of the job could work,” he said. “In Germany there is a clear separation between manager and sporting director and I think in principle this is very good.

“Jurgen does not like to speak to players’ agents or to carry out a transfer. So we have to see which is the most useful arrangement.”

Perhaps he doesn't like the current committee structure but I highly doubt control of transfers would be the make or break for him. Maybe adapting to a DoF or something.