General Election 2015

[Abertawe]

The boy Ed is gonna pull off the upset of the century. He's been written off by all & sundry but the geek will lead us into a new dawn.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

I thought Cameron was absolutely owned last night, I'm surprised a lot of polls said he did better because Paxman destroyed Cameron in his interview, you can see why he doesn't want these things.

Miliband actually did a lot better than I expected, but man did that last comment about voters wishing he was his brother hurt, you could instantly tell that in his face.

Labour really though would be better to just accept they overspent and try and say they've learnt from it than just dismiss the answer, people can accept wrong things were done when knowledge of effects wasn't there, what they detest if the usual political type answer.

I think at moment I'd be voting Labour which is a switch from last time, but I do worry about the gobsh*te SNP lot......the blinkered idiots of Scotland population really are ruining the election at moment with their idiotic one dimensional thinking.

the SNP lie their heads off about independence and Scotland gets a lucky break by voting no and then afterwards finding they'd be financially b*ggered and their answer is to mass vote SNP!!

 

[Alty]

I thought Cameron was absolutely owned last night, I'm surprised a lot of polls said he did better because Paxman destroyed Cameron in his interview, you can see why he doesn't want these things.

Miliband actually did a lot better than I expected, but man did that last comment about voters wishing he was his brother hurt, you could instantly tell that in his face.

Labour really though would be better to just accept they overspent and try and say they've learnt from it than just dismiss the answer, people can accept wrong things were done when knowledge of effects wasn't there, what they detest if the usual political type answer.

I think at moment I'd be voting Labour which is a switch from last time, but I do worry about the gobsh*te SNP lot......the blinkered idiots of Scotland population really are ruining the election at moment with their idiotic one dimensional thinking.

the SNP lie their heads off about independence and Scotland gets a lucky break by voting no and then afterwards finding they'd be financially b*ggered and their answer is to mass vote SNP!!

The lesson to learn is one about banking regulation, not spending. And tbf he at least said the right things.

I'm forever moaning that Labour aren't left-wing enough but Miliband is at least giving me some hope. Just wish he'd match the EU referendum pledge. They'd get my vote for sure if they did.

 

[SUTSS]

I thought Cameron was absolutely owned last night, I'm surprised a lot of polls said he did better because Paxman destroyed Cameron in his interview, you can see why he doesn't want these things.

Miliband actually did a lot better than I expected, but man did that last comment about voters wishing he was his brother hurt, you could instantly tell that in his face.

Labour really though would be better to just accept they overspent and try and say they've learnt from it than just dismiss the answer, people can accept wrong things were done when knowledge of effects wasn't there, what they detest if the usual political type answer.

I think at moment I'd be voting Labour which is a switch from last time, but I do worry about the gobsh*te SNP lot......the blinkered idiots of Scotland population really are ruining the election at moment with their idiotic one dimensional thinking.

the SNP lie their heads off about independence and Scotland gets a lucky break by voting no and then afterwards finding they'd be financially b*ggered and their answer is to mass vote SNP!!

When has the truth ever mattered in an election?

Alex Massie wrote about the different realities of Yes and No voters this morning: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffee...e-referendum-is-wrong-but-that-doesnt-matter/

 

[Alty]

When has the truth ever mattered in an election?

Alex Massie wrote about the different realities of Yes and No voters this morning: http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffee...e-referendum-is-wrong-but-that-doesnt-matter/

Interesting read.

 

[Stringy]

What's everyone's thoughts on these leaked documents? I know people who would be affected horrendously by these proposals.

 

[Alty]

What's everyone's thoughts on these leaked documents? I know people who would be affected horrendously by these proposals.

What documents?

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

just came up

in easier words their plans for how they were going to cut benefits that they would not answer at all after the budget

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32084722

 

[Stringy]

Story on the BBC now about proposals to reduce a range of disability benefits. Sorry I can't post a link from my phone.

 

[Alty]

With the exception of the household income proposal (£23,000 tax free without working is quite a lot when the minimum wage only gets you half that in take home pay - although there's a much wider discussion there to do with low pay and lack of social housing), all of those look really horrible. And will of course primarily affect those who already have it hardest.

Mansion tax your way to a few billion extra. Far, far fairer.

 

[SUTSS]

I don't think it will harm their election campaign too much. Benefits cuts, no matter how unfair, are an easy sell to a large part of the electorate.

 

[.V.]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/vbLGG5UGEKw

 

[silkyman]

I know it's covered elsewhere but people really need to ask why the libs and tories have shut this down. Valid in this thread because it's the ruling coalition who seems to want child abusing MPs to be able to hide behind the official secrets act.

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5...-to-lift-official-secrets-act-for-csa-scandal

 

[Red]

I don't think it will harm their election campaign too much. Benefits cuts, no matter how unfair, are an easy sell to a large part of the electorate.

They are and they aren't. I think It depends which benefits they are. Any attack on DLA, PIP, CA and Attendance Allowance is potentially damaging. The Tories like to look after pensioners because they see them as more likely to vote Tory, however they're the only group who get Attendance Allowance and more likely to claim DLA, PIP or have a carer whose CA will be affected, but yeah a lot of people seem at best indifferent about any attacks on the out of work benefits like JSA and ESA .

Whether or not these proposals were going to be enacted I think the mere fact they're being considered has the potential to damage the Tories. Traditionally they're ideologically opposed to welfare, so this political landscape in which there has been a widespread acceptance that savings need to be made is tailor made for them to pursue more attacks on welfare.

Hopefully this disclosure will force them to reveal more details about the 12b of welfare cuts.

 

[Martino Knockavelli]

https://shop.labour.org.uk/products/pledge-4-mug-controls-on-immigration-551/

Christmas sorted.

 

[SUTSS]

https://shop.labour.org.uk/products/pledge-4-mug-controls-on-immigration-551/

Christmas sorted.

That has nothing on the SNP T light candle holder: http://www.snpstore.org/snp-t-light-candle-holder.html

 

[.V.]

No decisions yet on benefit cuts, says Duncan Smith

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32105829

 

[Pyeman]

I think it's a bit rich for Rachel Reeves to be demanding answers from Osborne et al, when Labour have been no more forthcoming with details of how they will make savings.

I wish one of them would come out with some real information so people could start formulating an opinion beyond which of Cameron and Miliband they hate the least.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Labour make savings? Lulz.

 

[.V.]

Labour make savings? Lulz.

Tories don't borrow? Lolz

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/george-osborne-debt-monger.html?m=1

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Tories don't borrow? Lolz

Straw man? lel

(I'm not Tory)

 

[silkyman]

I think it's a bit rich for Rachel Reeves to be demanding answers from Osborne et al, when Labour have been no more forthcoming with details of how they will make savings.

I wish one of them would come out with some real information so people could start formulating an opinion beyond which of Cameron and Miliband they hate the least.

Why would they do that? The tories would much rather talk about kitchens and bacon sandwiches anyway.

 

[Pyeman]

Tories don't borrow? Lolz

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/george-osborne-debt-monger.html?m=1

If this is true, why haven't Labour made more of an issue of this?

The thing I find hard when it comes to making an informed decision on these types of issues is a lack of both personal expertise and reliable sources.

I like to think of myself as an intelligent person (well, reasonably so) but I'm no economist. There are so many different 'facts' floating around and different views on the economy, many of which blatantly contradict one another. It's hard to see the wood through the trees.

Take the above AAV article. If George Osborne is such a colossal screw up, and his record on debt is so unbelievably poor, then why is this not a key aspect of the Labour narrative in the build up to the election?


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[.V.]

Presumably because the Tory narrative of the recession being Labours fault, and Labour not effectively, or even trying to, counter it, the last 5 years, has led voters to trust the Tories on the economy more than Labour. Same reason the Tories don't talk about PFIs under Labour and how they started the privatisation of the NHS.

 

[Pyeman]

Can you recommend any good sources of information in the build up to the election?


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[Spear]

 

[.V.]

Can you recommend any good sources of information in the build up to the election?


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Not really, I'm trying to avoid most of this election if I can help it; there's going to be an awful lot of BS flying around sadly.

 

[Modernist]

Can't believe how bad Cameron was, Milliband really surprised me.

And it seems it boosted the opinion polls for Labour.

 

[Spear]

 

[Pyeman]

Why would they do that? The tories would much rather talk about kitchens and bacon sandwiches anyway.

Silly me for expecting anything of value in the build up to the election. My mistake.