Is it time for a 'Managerial Merry go round' thread?

[valefan16]

Agreed. I think Moore is a cracking appointment for Vale. I'd back him to avoid relegation and get Vale up the table next season.

My only worry would be him potentially walking away if he does well and a bigger fish comes in, like when he was at Donny. That's a long way off though.

If he comes in thats something we will have to take, it would be similar all be it a league higher than Micky Adams (all be it he then came back again!) we just need a boost and if we do go down some hope that we can bounce back as it feels at the moment years of hard work to get back to the level we feel we should be at is being undone.

 

[folletto]

Who'd have thought at the start of the season that Nathan Jones and Darren Moore would be managing in a League One relegation scrap

 

[valefan16]

Who'd have thought at the start of the season that Nathan Jones and Darren Moore would be managing in a League One relegation scrap

Its not confirmed yet so lets see what tomorrow brings! Could be Kennedy knowing our luck!

 

[thewwfc]

Who'd have thought at the start of the season that Nathan Jones and Darren Moore would be managing in a League One relegation scrap

It's pretty unlikely for sure, but ultimately there aren't enough managerial jobs to go round, so especially for younger managers who probably haven't yet made squillions in their careers and still need to earn a crust, beggars can't be choosers.

And it's pretty easy for someone's stock as a manager to fall - look at Phil Brown, for example.

 

[valefan16]

It's pretty unlikely for sure, but ultimately there aren't enough managerial jobs to go round, so especially for younger managers who probably haven't yet made squillions in their careers and still need to earn a crust, beggars can't be choosers.

And it's pretty easy for someone's stock as a manager to fall - look at Phil Brown, for example.

Both need to rebuild their stock as you say, will be similar for Ainsworth you'd think as well.

 

[valefan16]

Darren Moore now confirmed! Chuffed to bits with that!

5 and a half year deal though!

 

[kieran_vale]

Hopefully it lasts a bit longer than the last 5 year contract we handed out not that it means much in this day and age. Good to get it sorted out, doubt Moore wil have much of an input tonight and will be left to Ryder as he'll have done the prep on it then Moore can get cracking for taking on DC and Cheltenham at the weekend. Next thing is really need to be looking at backing him with any possible available free agents but this has given us a better hope of survival than we'd have had with Crosby.

 

[valefan16]

Hopefully it lasts a bit longer than the last 5 year contract we handed out not that it means much in this day and age. Good to get it sorted out, doubt Moore wil have much of an input tonight and will be left to Ryder as he'll have done the prep on it then Moore can get cracking for taking on DC and Cheltenham at the weekend. Next thing is really need to be looking at backing him with any possible available free agents but this has given us a better hope of survival than we'd have had with Crosby.

Yeah could do with a striker still but its an appointment that if we do go down it won't overly be on him with no window to change it and injuries as they are but you'd back us to have a good chance to bounce back.

See what staff he brings as we've lost much of the backroom with Crosby and go from there. Flickers needed that appointment!

 

[mozzavale]

Anyway, you're not getting Moore

Turns out we are.

 

[valefan16]

5 and a half years is the biggest surprise but guess that somewhat covers us if he goes well and gets a bigger move.

That Flickers power point presentation must have worked its magic again.

 

[folletto]

5 and a half years is mental

 

[LordJord]

5 and a half years is the biggest surprise but guess that somewhat covers us if he goes well and gets a bigger move.

That Flickers power point presentation must have worked its magic again.

It helps you financially I would assume should he move onto bigger and better things.... but on the flip side if things continue to go poorly that's a huge payout!

 

[Soz]

i doubt we can afford a 5.5 year deal without some sort of compo clause agreed should we need to sack him.

delighted with this anyway. crosbyshould have gone months ago but then would we have got a manager in with a record as good as moores?

 

[valefan16]

It helps you financially I would assume should he move onto bigger and better things.... but on the flip side if things continue to go poorly that's a huge payout!

Assume there is some break clauses, otherwise we'd be paying DC off until 2027!

I dont think any relegation this season would be blamed on Moore, he's a mental job this season on his hands with James Wilson and a 17 year old youth as his strike options (plus useless Loft when fit), our top scorer out for months in Garrity and probably two of the best midfielders we've had in a couple of decades recalled in January and our only wing back (we play wing backs) out for 5 months with a broken leg!

He needs Garrity and Clarke back sooner rather than later really and possibly Plant and to pray James Wilson somehow doesn't get injured again which with so many games and his record isn't guaranteed.

Only thing he can do is make us harder to beat.

 

[kieran_vale]

5 and a half years is mental

It's certainly the eye-opener in all this but I'd suggest the length of contract is symbolic. There's usually break clauses for the various circumstances he might depart so it's not a case of we'd have to pay the full deal or any club poaching him would. Hell of a commitment though for sure.

Going to be a difficult job regardless. Not least teaching this lot how to defend which is something we've become more shambolic at by the passing week. If he can do that and basically have us grinding 0-0's and 1-0's then that will go some of the way to staying up. Maybe sent a minor shockwave through some Peterborough fans ahead of tonights game in light of what happened last time he came up against them I guess.

 

[denzel ecfc]

It's certainly the eye-opener in all this but I'd suggest the length of contract is symbolic. There's usually break clauses for the various circumstances he might depart so it's not a case of we'd have to pay the full deal or any club poaching him would. Hell of a commitment though for sure.

Going to be a difficult job regardless. Not least teaching this lot how to defend which is something we've become more shambolic at by the passing week. If he can do that and basically have us grinding 0-0's and 1-0's then that will go some of the way to staying up. Maybe sent a minor shockwave through some Peterborough fans ahead of tonights game in light of what happened last time he came up against them I guess.

Yeah right. Kerching!

 

[mozzavale]

There will obviously be clauses in, like there were for Clarke. Wouldn't payout the full length. Clarke got 12 months payout.

 

[valefan16]

If we have any sense now we chuck 50-100k at Dwight Gayle until the end of the season so we can have some form of strike force for him to work with... and we know they are close.

 

[AmberAndy]

Good appointment for you guys I think, will be interesting to see how he goes. Usually want you to beat Pish, but we are too close for comfort near the bottom, so continue your poor run for a while longer and then get out of trouble at the end, when we are hopefully safe, just don’t hold back on the tackles tonight.

 

[mozzavale]

Hasn’t done a great job this season with Wednesday

He left Wednesday in June

 

[K-Win]

He left Wednesday in June

Yes. Unceremoniously booted out by the mad owner when he spotted a shiny Spaniard on the horizon.

 

[Luke Imp]

DearneValleyRover will probably give a decent overview of his time at Doncaster. Always came across as though he baffled everyone with his selections and his sides played in moments rather than consistency? Loves a loan signing as well, pretty sure Donny had 8(?!) at one point?

 

[Luke Imp]

Thought this was an interesting take on him.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1751977237346165100

 

[DearneValleyRover]

DearneValleyRover will probably give a decent overview of his time at Doncaster. Always came across as though he baffled everyone with his selections and his sides played in moments rather than consistency? Loves a loan signing as well, pretty sure Donny had 8(?!) at one point?

When he first came in he inherited a fairly decent side and added some good quality loans, in fact I still believe Covid stopped us going up however as time went on he allowed contracted players contracts to run out without even sitting down with the players to even explain why they weren’t being offered new ones, more and more loans were coming in with a promise of a contract that would never be offered. Rumours came out that he was sending his cv to other clubs and was hardly ever seen at the training ground.
When he left we were still in chance of the playoffs but given his manner of departure, the false promises given to the loan players and the amount of contracted players about to leave in the summer we went into the free fall we’ve seen in the last 3 years.

 

[valefan16]

When he first came in he inherited a fairly decent side and added some good quality loans, in fact I still believe Covid stopped us going up however as time went on he allowed contracted players contracts to run out without even sitting down with the players to even explain why they weren’t being offered new ones, more and more loans were coming in with a promise of a contract that would never be offered. Rumours came out that he was sending his cv to other clubs and was hardly ever seen at the training ground.
When he left we were still in chance of the playoffs but given his manner of departure, the false promises given to the loan players and the amount of contracted players about to leave in the summer we went into the free fall we’ve seen in the last 3 years.

Should fit in well, we only ever seem to make loan signings these days!

 

[Throbber_for_Dunk]

Turns out we are.

Quite, hell of a coup for you lot and I am more than happy to eat my words on that one!

As long as it doesn't come back to bite us, naturally.

 

[valefan16]

Looks like Lee Bradbury and Jamie Smith are the new coaching team behind Moore.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

The knives certainly are being thrown currently at Simpson but it’s one heck of a weird situation which I’m trying to work out if has happened before elsewhere and if so what were the end results.

Carlisle 100% would have changed managers by now in any other circumstance and if they’d somehow been utterly loyal Simpson would have been ousted last night…….bottom of table, 15 points adrift, clearly players not playing for him (have never understood that…..yeah f*ck your own careers up to make a point!) and lose 4-0 at home to an on paper poor side……….no manager survives that or has before???

But…….I’d say fanbase still split 50-50 on it (a big change though) and owners not interested in a change, plus also the harsh fact of who could Carlisle genuinely get better for L2 next season……he’s had two promotions down there. We no doubt like everyone else will just re-tread over the same group of sacked elsewhere managers.

But have also seen us stick than twist 4 times before when in shocking form as season ended….kept Michael Knighton as manager, kept gregg Abbott as manager, kept Graeme kavanagh as manager and Chris beech who all had dreadful second halves of season and it kept negatively flowing into the following season.

Has any other club stuck when stats suggest to twist and did it end up better after the summer??

 

[Laker]

The knives certainly are being thrown currently at Simpson but it’s one heck of a weird situation which I’m trying to work out if has happened before elsewhere and if so what were the end results.

Carlisle 100% would have changed managers by now in any other circumstance and if they’d somehow been utterly loyal Simpson would have been ousted last night…….bottom of table, 15 points adrift, clearly players not playing for him (have never understood that…..yeah f*ck your own careers up to make a point!) and lose 4-0 at home to an on paper poor side……….no manager survives that or has before???

But…….I’d say fanbase still split 50-50 on it (a big change though) and owners not interested in a change, plus also the harsh fact of who could Carlisle genuinely get better for L2 next season……he’s had two promotions down there. We no doubt like everyone else will just re-tread over the same group of sacked elsewhere managers.

But have also seen us stick than twist 4 times before when in shocking form as season ended….kept Michael Knighton as manager, kept gregg Abbott as manager, kept Graeme kavanagh as manager and Chris beech who all had dreadful second halves of season and it kept negatively flowing into the following season.

Has any other club stuck when stats suggest to twist and did it end up better after the summer??

We did both with Bonner - stuck with him last season despite four wins in six months, then sacked him this season after one win in 13 (or whatever it was). After sticking with him last season, we somehow stayed up on the final day with a very good end of season. But it’s likely that if we’d gone down that we would have stuck with him in League 2 and let him have a crack at promotion again. Our fanbase was similarly split - probably 50/50 last season on whether he should have been sacked or not.

This season that poor run resulted in his dismissal. I think the board probably looked at what happened last season and felt we wouldn’t get away with it for a second time. The mood was a lot more in favour of him going - probably more like 67/33 or 75/25.

But I think he’s an odd case (our relationship with him was pretty unique I’d say). Ordinarily we do ultimately sack our managers when we’re having a poor season though I do think we hold on longer than alot of clubs.

 

[thewwfc]

We’ve stuck with Bloomfield despite our form being utterly dire in the first half of the season - his win ratio got to low 20s in percentage terms, which is one of the worst seen for a Wycombe manager, and we didn’t win in around 17 games.

We still may go down this season, but it’s a mark of how shite L1 is this time round that we’re still only mid-table rather than in the drop zone.

Bloomfield was heavily backed in January though, we had a record amount of player ins and outs.

In fairness, signs of an upward turn do seem to be there, and I feel like we’ll hit safety - but whichever league we end up in, we’ve absolutely underperformed relative to our budget, which I’d guess at being mid- to upper-mid table.