Jose Mourinho

[mistermagic]

I take it nobody read my article on Deschamps being a serious candidate?

Ah crap.

 

[G-Dragon]

The English game and Europe.

You are in the same European competition as us this season and will be the same next season

 

[SALTIRE]

Leicester have overtaken everyone currently.

It's a shame Liverpool have fallen behind poor, little Everton, but resorting to bigging up other teams to have a dig at others is a bit desperate. Especially when the team you're bigging up emasculated your own in the Summer but taking your best player.

Form is temporary class is permanent, Everton will go back to midtable mediocrity where they belong soon enough whilst the reds will be pushing back up the table this season and into next.

As for bigging up City I was merely showing you that instead of moaning about the money they have you should be worrying about how far you've fallen off them and this will only continue once Guardiola comes in. I fear for Man Utd I really do especially once you get Giggs in charge once Mourinho's brief tenure goes tits up.

 

[Christian Slater]

Form is temporary class is permanent, Everton will go back to midtable mediocrity where they belong soon enough whilst the reds will be pushing back up the table this season and into next.

As for bigging up City I was merely showing you that instead of moaning about the money they have you should be worrying about how far you've fallen off them and this will only continue once Guardiola comes in. I fear for Man Utd I really do especially once you get Giggs in charge once Mourinho's brief tenure goes tits up.

Everton are midtable, you've just joined them. It's your new level.

 

[SALTIRE]

Everton are midtable, you've just joined them. It's your new level.

Deflecting...

 

[Bilo]

Everton are midtable, you've just joined them. It's your new level.

We been here since 2010 bar one season mate, nothing new about it. You're the lot who are gonna have to get used to it.

The first three years are the worst then you sort of get used to it.

 

[Christian Slater]

Deflecting...

You didn't bother responding to any points I made earlier in the discussuion\shitfest, so there's no path of discourse to follow. Unless you want to actually answer whether you think Sterling is worth £180k a week, if his head was turned by the money and if City have overpaid for him like they do everyone else?

 

[Christian Slater]

We been here since 2010 bar one season mate, nothing new about it. You're the lot who are gonna have to get used to it.

The first three years are the worst then you sort of get used to it.

Our stay will be temporary, thanks.

 

[G.B]

Form is temporary class is permanent, Everton will go back to midtable mediocrity where they belong soon enough whilst the reds will be pushing back up the table this season and into next.

where do liverpool belong in your humble opinion mate?

 

[mistermagic]

One thing I don't get about Saltire is why he defends Liverpool so vehemently all the time. I mean if you're a glory-hunter, just don't bother when that side is shit. That's what the cool fake fans do anyway.

#2000th post

 

[SALTIRE]

where do liverpool belong in your humble opinion mate?

12th

I've said it all along this Liverpool side could compete for the top four despite being an average squad as the PL isn't the greatest quality but they don't have the mental attitude or defensive nous to get there and hence they struggle when they aren't playing well.

 

[SALTIRE]

One thing I don't get about Saltire is why he defends Liverpool so vehemently all the time. I mean if you're a glory-hunter, just don't bother when that side is shit. That's what the cool fake fans do anyway.

#2000th post

Been following them since 1987 so not going to stop supporting them now.

 

[Christian Slater]

Your avoidance of the question hasn't gone unnoticed.

bama:

 

[Stevencc]

Poor Salty is being ripped to shreds from all sides here.

 

[SALTIRE]

Neither of you answer questions anyway so what's the point of me answering any

 

[Stevencc]

I don't think you are going to get an answer out of him, Christian.

 

[SALTIRE]

I don't think you are going to get an answer out of him, Christian.

I've forgotten the question anyway, wasn't it about Sterling or some other pointless debate?

Listening to some folk music at the mo anyway, so will answer later if its posed again. I don't shy away from debate by deflecting and trying to troll about Liverpool.

 

[Stevencc]

I've forgotten the question anyway, wasn't it about Sterling or some other pointless debate?

Old age does tend to play terrible tricks on the memory, I feel for you mate.

 

[SALTIRE]

Old age does tend to play terrible tricks on the memory, I feel for you mate.

I'm in my prime ya cheeky wee sprog!

 

[Bilo]

http://thebusbybabe.sbnation.com/20...-utd-should-absolutely-not-hire-jose-mourinho

I wouldn't say I agree with his conclusion but he raises some good points. Well worth a read.

 

[mistermagic]

I've forgotten the question anyway, wasn't it about Sterling or some other pointless debate?

Listening to some folk music at the mo anyway, so will answer later if its posed again. I don't shy away from debate by deflecting and trying to troll about Liverpool.

Apparently you do.

 

[SALTIRE]

Apparently you do.

So say they but they are worse than me in that case.

 

[mistermagic]

So say they but they are worse than me in that case.

What are you 12?

 

[Bilo]

Three people obsessing about Saltire doing something everyone of us does pretty much every day, escape a debate for whatever reason.

Let's just say he's not the one coming across as a 12 year old.

 

[Stevencc]

What are you 12?

He's nearer 60...

 

[Kyle Hatch]

http://thebusbybabe.sbnation.com/20...-utd-should-absolutely-not-hire-jose-mourinho

I wouldn't say I agree with his conclusion but he raises some good points. Well worth a read.

the mendes point is very valid. There is still a belief, especially around my office, that mourinho will come in and do wonders, i simply can't see it. Rumours of pog coming in would be a relief. The one thing i don't want to see United doing each season is spending 250 mil because we can, it's pointless and it unsettles the team. If you change the manager every 3 years, they come in with new ideas on how things work.

It's been seen at liverpool since rafa went, each manager trying to change things to their way. The only club where the general style of play has remained with managerial changes is barca.

 

[Bilo]

I think the best point raised in that article is how ridiculously unbalanced your squad is. There literally isn't a single formation and/or system which will get the best out of more than three or four of your players. Amazing how it's come to that.

I think that Mourinho = the £250m route once more. I mean, you need significant strengthening in literally every department. I can't, off the top of my head, think of a single class signing and think "nah, that's not what they need". Goalkeeper, of course, but DDG could be gone six months from now.

 

[G-Dragon]

the mendes point is very valid. There is still a belief, especially around my office, that mourinho will come in and do wonders, i simply can't see it. Rumours of pog coming in would be a relief. The one thing i don't want to see United doing each season is spending 250 mil because we can, it's pointless and it unsettles the team. If you change the manager every 3 years, they come in with new ideas on how things work.

It's been seen at liverpool since rafa went, each manager trying to change things to their way. The only club where the general style of play has remained with managerial changes is barca.

Not always true. It has worked wonders for Chelsea. Won trophies consistently.

 

[sl1k]

It's been seen at liverpool since rafa went, each manager trying to change things to their way. The only club where the general style of play has remained with managerial changes is barca.

And it's this consistency that's been key to their dominance. From the youth setup to the first team they have an identity in their brand of football, and when they need to buy there's a philosophy specific profile that players need to fit.

When the LVG appointment was made, I interpreted it as commitment to a similar long term plan and was under the impression the club finally had a post-SAF direction. Turns out I was grossly wrong and that Woody hasn't the faintest clue what he's doing beyond 'bid for Bale, Neymar, Muller...That'll win us shit'. Just like Madrid where the Galactico model has proved so successful in recent years.

Half way through the LVG era and the footballing infrastructure is still going to shit. Pep, who you'd think would be the natural successor to LVG, is allowed to move down the road to a rival. And we're left in a situation that Mourinho is our best chance in changing our current trajectory of doing a Liverpool. After his antics this season I'd have much better preferred he stay away, but given the circumstances we just need to get back into a rhythm of winning things again and it's probably last chance saloon (fucking hate this phrase now) for him too at a big club.

 

[Mr. Scruff]

I think the best point raised in that article is how ridiculously unbalanced your squad is. There literally isn't a single formation and/or system which will get the best out of more than three or four of your players. Amazing how it's come to that.

I think that Mourinho = the £250m route once more. I mean, you need significant strengthening in literally every department. I can't, off the top of my head, think of a single class signing and think "nah, that's not what they need". Goalkeeper, of course, but DDG could be gone six months from now.

Your post is depressingly accurate. The inbalance isn't all Van Gaals fault it started under Ferguson and was compounded by Moyes utter incompetence. We started his tenure with 3 injury prone Cb's, only two Centre midfielders but with at least 5 players, two needlessly purchased by that clown, whose best position is off the striker.


. But 4 windows into Van Gaals tenure we should be loads better. Part of the problem is he cut too quick too fast. Had we kept any two of Nani, Hernandez, Welbeck or Zaha we'd be in a much stronger position right now. I still cant believe we let go of a player of Nanis quality for such a paltry fee after losing Di Maria. It was a ridiculous move. His ability to beat a man and score goals from nothing is something we are badly missing.

He's just failed in every department and needs to go as much as Moyes did.


This is how I see the squad going forward.

Must keep starting 11 material

De Gea
Martial
Shaw
Smalling
Schneirdelin , not sure what's gone wrong here. but he's still an excellent defensive midfielder if we get the right player to go with him


Good squad players

Young- turned into a very good full back and still not a bad winger
Valencia- absolute beast as a rb , if Mata plays out wide he needs to play with him. Only age and question marks over his positioning stop him from being first choice
Blind- great player, lack of physical attributes. stop him from being a starter but he;s great cover anywhere he plays
Rojo- Showed more than enough at both CB and Lb to keep.
Schweinsteiger- He's still excellent, we cant control a game without him. Got a role to play for the next few years
Lingard- just a decent squad player, nothing special but good movement and will score goals.


Unsure

Rooney- still a player in there at times. Not sure if Van Gaal is limiting him as no attacking players have done well under him. At best he needs to accept a reduced role in the side. He can't play every game and we need to bring in competition for him
Mata- Needs to be surrounded by pace, not sure where his best position is really but he has a lot of quality.
Herrera- not sure what he is really. He has good attributes but there is nothing you could say is outstanding. To me he seems like a centre mid but Van Gaal doesn't often play him there.Our better performances all seem to come with him in the side though. I'd give hima year under a different manager.
Depay- Some talent there obviously but his decision making and attitude are appauling.
Januzaj- showed more than Depay ever has in his debut season but again question marks. We need at least one more attacking player so one of them has to go.


Get rid

Fellaini- doesn't deserve the hate but he's just not a good enough footballer to play in his best posiiton for a team like United.
Carrick- Glue factory
Darmian- Not quick or athletic enough to be a full back at the top level, question marks defensively.
Jones- forever injured and awful decision making

So thats 4 I'd definitely get rid of plus another 2 or three.Ｗｅ still need a word class starting centre back, possibly a right back, a centre mid an attacking winger and a striker.

Mourinho and 250 million it is. We are an utter shambles.