Owners, the best and worst.

[shoddycollins]

Over at against league 3, they have done a survey to find the best and worst rated owners (by their own fans in the country).

http://www.againstleague3.co.uk/al3-club-ownership-survey-the-results

They only seem to have posted the top 10 and bottom 10. The opinions were collected earlier this season (Octoberish it seems)

In League 2 - Accrington Stanley and Luton made the top 10, coming 6th and 8th (out of 92) respectively.

Meanwhile at the other end, Carlisle, Yeovil, Orient and Blackpool make the bottom 10, coming 83rd, 84th, 86th and 89th respectively.

 

[Carver]

Not suprised to see we are down there, fucking c*** bastard lying fuckers who own our club should look at that and piss off.

 

[shoddycollins]

Not suprised to see we are down there, fucking c*** bastard lying fuckers who own our club should look at that and piss off.

We're also very fickle and if squillionairegate finally draws to a close, and we get promoted then Nixon will surely be carried aloft though the city on a golden throne.

or maybe not, don't look at me I can't predict the future.

 

[Carver]

We're also very fickle and if squillionairegate finally draws to a close, and we get promoted then Nixon will surely be carried aloft though the city on a golden throne.

or maybe not, don't look at me I can't predict the future.

I dont pay attention to that billionaire non sense anymore. Our owner is in his 80s now so we'll just have to be patient for it, if you get me.

 

[Habbinalan]

I presume they asked both Morecambe fans at the height of their Brazilian/Arab millionaire rescue optimism - timing is everything.

Clearly there was plenty of competition for bottom 10 - no Notts County, Oldham or Bury.

I guess Premier League fans can be fickle, especially in the NW and London.

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

Allam worse than Becchetti? Give over.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

Sadly I suspect that this is the only league table Orient have climbed this year - worst owner.

 

[TimeyWimey]

Ours must be the most over rated then. A majority shareholder who has taken over a million quid out of the club, is rarely seen and has spent a decade trying to sell it off for a massive profit (no ones stupid enough to pay it). With a chairman who has over seen, and helped accelerate, years of decline whilst being at the head of the club through years of child abuse allegations, showing nothing but disrespect to those victims. "But he cares about the club". He's incompetent.

But on the plus side, rather ours than Orient & Blackpool.

 

[shoddycollins]

Ours must be the most over rated then. A majority shareholder who has taken over a million quid out of the club, is rarely seen and has spent a decade trying to sell it off for a massive profit (no ones stupid enough to pay it). With a chairman who has over seen, and helped accelerate, years of decline whilst being at the head of the club through years of child abuse allegations, showing nothing but disrespect to those victims. "But he cares about the club". He's incompetent.

But on the plus side, rather ours than Orient & Blackpool.

Well the child abuse won't be a factor as this survey was long before those revelations.

 

[SF_]

Oyston deserves credit for allowing Bowyer to build a competitive side despite such small crowds.

Top 3 owner.

 

[Kenneth E End]

This rating is well deserved for the board of Luton; a club that everyone is aware of that has gone through several mills over the last 25 years and beyond. A new stadium is getting closer to reality, the club haven't toed the FL party line on a number of issues and have enjoyed being an establishment rebel.

The club is one of it not the only one in L2 to pay all their staff the living wage, have promoted many charity projects and continued to invest in the club, its team, its academy and community.

Around £18m has been spent on the operational budget since they took over in 2007, another £20m mortgaged in land and the potential of a further probable £130m of spending to come on a stadium to come.

 

[Youpies]

You are spending 130m on your stadium? Who do you think you are? Arsenal? How the hell will it cost that much?

 

[Kenneth E End]

You are spending 130m on your stadium? Who do you think you are? Arsenal? How the hell will it cost that much?

£150m (an educated guess) on the whole project, which isn't just about a stadium. An unbelievably ambitious project.

 

[AdamStag]

£150m (an educated guess) on the whole project, which isn't just about a stadium. An unbelievably ambitious project.

Will the begging buckets 2 years later on be gold plated?

 

[TheMinsterman]

Fuck sake, why couldn't Luton have chucked money at us when they were super minted?

 

[Youpies]

I don't think any League Two, or even One club could make a business case to spend 130m on a stadium.

No chance a bank is going to lend you that, and no chance you'd payback in the timeframe they'd expect

 

[AdamStag]

I don't think any League Two, or even One club could make a business case to spend 130m on a stadium.

No chance a bank is going to lend you that, and no chance you'd payback in the timeframe they'd expect

This is Luton though, they live in a universe of their own.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

£150m (an educated guess) on the whole project, which isn't just about a stadium. An unbelievably ambitious project.

I assume such a project includes retail, leisure and possibly accommodation to make it viable by being more than a football ground, who will be funding it?

 

[BelizeHatter]

Guessing nobody has read our plans but Kenny doesnt help in not explaining it and just throwing the totals out there. Its not all on the Stadium. The club owners bought land that was previously earmarked for a ground out of town next to M1. Perfect for business Park not for a football club in their view. Spend hundreds of millions to develop a big business park on M1 site, use profits of tens of millions to buy land in Town and build new Stadium there. Hundreds of millions but only small part of it on 17k seat Stadium.

 

[BelizeHatter]

Pretty fucking smart if they pull it off. Club end up with a very nice stadium, future expandable if required, on ground that costs a ridiculous amount due to it being in the heart of the Town Centre but more for it being contaminated - land that otherwise isnt cost effective to transform into anything else and has sat abandoned for ages and would still for decades without this outside the box thinking in using profits from an enabling project. It delivers a central Stadium to the Club and additional much needed facilities to the Town in two locations. Genius

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

Yeah we aren't just dumping 150 mill self funded on a stadium!

 

[BelizeHatter]

Our Owners and Senior Management are Gods, not just popular ..................until we turn fickle again and hate them

 

[Boletus Edulis]

£150m (an educated guess) on the whole project, which isn't just about a stadium. An unbelievably ambitious project.

I assume such a project includes retail, leisure and possibly accommodation to make it viable by being more than a football ground, who will be funding it?

Pretty fucking smart if they pull it off. Club end up with a very nice stadium, future expandable if required, on ground that costs a ridiculous amount due to it being in the heart of the Town Centre but more for it being contaminated - land that otherwise isnt cost effective to transform into anything else and has sat abandoned for ages and would still for decades without this outside the box thinking in using profits from an enabling project. It delivers a central Stadium to the Club and additional much needed facilities to the Town in two locations. Genius[/QUOTE
Am I the only one to pick up on the phrase "contaminated land?" I know this is a broad term encompassing many things, so what is it contaminated with/by? I have visions of your players running around with two heads and no away fans!

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

Planning permission being granted for Newlands Park, a site which the club has owned for a considerable
period, immediately makes that site significantly more valueable. That development is where the money is to be made and where there is a strong business case to be made (someone pointed out above about business cases), can be made given the location of that site and it's transport links. The site would contain office space which is really much needed in the area, shops, restaurants, cinema etc.

That development funds Power Court which is the the town centre (and a site the club also now owns) and has been wasteland for years and the stadium which includes a stadium, accommodation, and various other facilities like a music venue etc.

I believe the contamination comes from the heavy industry that used to be on the site and I believe I read it was to do with an electric sub station which requires removing which makes it expensive to develop on and therefore not suitable for retail (must admit I don't know the ins and outs of that and why a stadium is fine).

The plans are highly detailed and very impressive to read through, so we've all probably done a bad job of articulating it all in this thread!

But that's the plan, I won't believe it's happening until my backside is sitting on my seat in the new stadium but it's definitely the closest we have ever been and why the owners are so highly rated in this poll.

 

[Kenneth E End]

Guessing nobody has read our plans but Kenny doesnt help in not explaining it and just throwing the totals out there. Its not all on the Stadium. The club owners bought land that was previously earmarked for a ground out of town next to M1. Perfect for business Park not for a football club in their view. Spend hundreds of millions to develop a big business park on M1 site, use profits of tens of millions to buy land in Town and build new Stadium there. Hundreds of millions but only small part of it on 17k seat Stadium.

Well I'm posting this on an iPhone at the moment, so typing out all the details can take quite a long time!

 

[Look Out There Are Llamas]

Well the child abuse won't be a factor as this survey was long before those revelations.

I strongly suspect if it was done since then Francesco "Charisma" Becchetti would be further down (higher?) also.

 

[E10rifle]

It really says something that I would genuinely rather have the Oystons in charge at Orient.

 

[K-Win]

E10, that would make Sophie's Choice look an absolute doddle.

I'd like to hope that we'd at least be top half in that fan satisfaction list. Some of our fans complain that the board 'don't know what they're doing'. This may be true in a few aspects but they say it as if we'd be better off under a moneybags madman, dodgy chancer or outright crook (all of which we've tried in the past).

 

[Boletus Edulis]

interesting article in The Guardian today, which hopefully I've linked correctly. Makes a strong case as to whom is the worst manager. Who is Tom Davies LOFTs Vice Chair?

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ton-orient-spiteful-owner-frnacesco-becchetti

 

[E10rifle]

Tom's a good mate of mine. Journalist by profession; writes mainly for the Grauniad and pens the Clubs In Crisis section of When Saturday Comes amongst other worthy things.

Re: your other point, there is absolutely not a worse Chairman/group of owners in the football league. SISU run us closest.