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PA suggesting you could be less of a dick sometimes.
PA suggesting you could be less of a dick sometimes.
As I said, the less secure the status of unskilled migrants, the more economically beneficial they are to the host country.
If migrant workers live in fear of deportation, they'll work harder, longer and in worse conditions for less money.
I guess that's what some liberal advocates of immigration sometimes forget; we get the economic benefit of migrants whether they're documented or not.
Just out of interest, is there any data to back that up?
I think you're correct in that undocumented migrants might be beneficial to the economy on a small scale, but surely they would be infinitely more beneficial to the economy if they were fully documented and legal? I.e. the ability to expand their skills, become more employable and ultimately contribute a greater amount to their employer and the countries coffers.
I wonder too, how many companies are sustained by employing illegal immigrants? The UK is no doubt losing a significant amount of business and corporation tax there.
Maybe what's needed is a clamp down on these companies who employ undocumented migrants, rather than the people themselves...?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32374871
UKIP officially backs some level of support for refugees.
As long as they are 'our sort' of refugee.
The rest can, presumably, fuck off?
Probably not many. Because people tend to want to do what's best for themselves and those around them at any given time. Anyone living in the UK now should be able to see we don't need any further mass influx of people.Surely even you see the irony it it EG. We know Farage is ok with some people coming into the country, so long as they're not Muslims eh?
http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2015...-only-take-in-christians-insists-nigel-farage
I wonder how many of those first and second generation immigrants would have welcomed a party that wanted to impose stricter immigration when they were trying to get into the UK?
I wonder how many of those first and second generation immigrants would have welcomed a party that wanted to impose stricter immigration when they were trying to get into the UK?
Why would it matter?
So?The existence of such a party then would have potentially threatened their passage to the UK, like UKIP could potentially threaten the passage of immigrants today.
Felt threatened? They may or may not have been allowed to enter, depending on what skills they had to bring. But that's neither here nor there. Anyone who lives in the UK can come to whatever opinion they like on what's best for them, their community and the country in general. If that means an immigrant wants current levels of immigration reduced, that's fine. It certainly doesn't make them a hypocrite.So I find it a bit hypocritical for immigrants who came here in the past to say they support UKIP when had UKIP been around back when they migrated they'd have felt threatened by UKIP.
Because they don't think it's the right policy for them or the country?I disagree. They benefited from being allowed to come here to make a better life for themselves and their families. Why support a party that is trying to curtail the opportunity for other people to do exactly what they did?
Exactly. I would imagine most immigrants and their families already settled here despise what UKIP are about and rightly so in my view.Because 'I'm alright Jack'
Because they don't think it's the right policy for them or the country?
Lots of people enjoy a good standard of living because previous Governments gave them or their antecedents something they shouldn't have done. Doesn't mean they have to support the policy for the rest of their lives. That'd be stupid.
Logical conclusion of this is that you'd support zero immigration controls. How many people worldwide would benefit from the opportunity to come to the UK? About 4-5 billion? All immigrants are supposed to support the rights of those people to come? Come on mate, do me a favour.Well that's your view and you're entitled to it. I'm not saying they have no right to support UKIP, of course they do, but I know for certain if I'd benefited from being allowed to come here to make a better life for me and my family I wouldn't support a party that seeks to curtail the opportunity for other people to come and build a better life for themselves.
You didn't explicitly say that. But I pointed out the logical conclusion of the road you were heading down in my previous point.Where have I said I support zero immigration controls? Do we really have to have this again Alty where you're saying I said something I did not say? If you're referring to the post above where I said something like let everyone and anyone in I'd have thought you'd have taken it for the joke that it was. I'll have you for libel if you keep this up.
Immigrants can either support the rights of other immigrants to come here and build a better life for themselves, like they, did or not. As I said they're perfectly entitled to support UKIP and their ilk. I'm merely saying I find it hypocritical if they do support UKIP, for the reasons I've already set out several times now.
I disagree. They benefited from being allowed to come here to make a better life for themselves and their families. Why support a party that is trying to curtail the opportunity for other people to do exactly what they did?
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