Stickied Transfer Rumours & Confirmed Deals Thread 2023/24

[markwwfc1992]

You may aswell spend what you what want, FFP is pointless as it is. You should try and sign someone just to see how worthless your embargo is too.

 

[M Dogg]

The FA/FL wouldn't approve it and we would probably get a points deduction

We already had Hamer in who then got sent back due to some paperwork

FFP is a farce but it's controlled our spending at least.

Quite happy with our team tbh, should be a steady season

 

[Luke_1884]

You may aswell spend what you what want, FFP is pointless as it is.

It's not though is it.

QPR might somehow get off the hook but in general it's the same for all teams and there will be punishments.

 

[markwwfc1992]

It's not though is it.

QPR might somehow get off the hook but in general it's the same for all teams and there will be punishments.

In that case you should be one of the first to be punished, but that wont happen.

 

[Mansfield_Ram]

Why? What evidence do you have that we've broken FFP? If we fail it then I imagine we will rightly be punished. But until then the 'innocent until proven guilty' springs to mind. On top of that our new owner said we are fine.

 

[Luke_1884]

In that case you should be one of the first to be punished, but that wont happen.

Come on Mark, how can you say that when you know nothing about our finances?

 

[MagpieBee]

Come on Mark, how can you say that when you know nothing about our finances?

Well, you just spent c.£19m in one transfer window, without bringing in anything in sales really. No Championship club can sustain that. Even if the fees are spread out over a few years, means you probably can't spend anything more for quite a while...

 

[Luke_1884]

Well, you just spent c.£19m in one transfer window, without bringing in anything in sales really. No Championship club can sustain that. Even if the fees are spread out over a few years, means you probably can't spend anything more for quite a while...

That last sentence, exactly.

If we don't go up this season then I imagine we won't see any further financial input to the playing staff unless the money is made from selling our own players.

Our owner has pretty much confirmed that too.

I just find it hard to believe that fans, not even Derby fans, can say "you should be punished", "you'll have an embargo next year", "you'll get points deducted" when for one they haven't a clue about the structure of our transfer dealings or even about FFP itself. Fans just see the figures and assume.

It'll be tight as far as passing it goes just like last year but until we do fail then it's pretty pointless damning us.

I'd be surprised if we posted bigger losses than Leeds and Forest did when they balls'ed it up, taking the extra 7m into consideration obviously.

 

[markwwfc1992]

Come on Mark, how can you say that when you know nothing about our finances?

You are right, I don't know much about your in-depth finances.

As MagpieBee says though, it's not hard to see that spending 19m in one transfer window and including your already astronomical wage bill shouldn't be sustainable.

I see Wolves and Derby as similarly sized clubs. For ourselves to sustain ourselves this summer we've had to sell our vice captain and player of the year Richard Stearman, and the best Wolves player I've seen in my lifetime in Bakary Sako just to be within the guidelines of FFP (sold Kevin Doyle who was a high earner too). We've brought in a couple of youngsters from other clubs. but the bulk of our entire squad has come through our academy. I'd even go as far as saying that we don't have a player on over 15k a week in wages, which for this league is pretty good. Hell we even had parachute payments until the end of last season.

What irritates me in contrast is how teams like Derby have just injected huge amounts of money to their squad over the last year or so in a desperate attempt of going up. Spending 19m in 3 months without selling anyone of value really shouldn't be sustainable in the 2nd tier. Your wage bill seemingly blows every other club out of the water. It's insulting to teams that do go about it the right way and live within their means. Say you wont go up this year, nothing will change and I wouldn't be surprised to see you throw another shit ton of money at promotion next season with no risk of being punished. QPR have set this benchmark.

Thats why FFP is a farce.

 

[MagpieBee]

That last sentence, exactly.

If we don't go up this season then I imagine we won't see any further financial input to the playing staff unless the money is made from selling our own players.

Our owner has pretty much confirmed that too.

I just find it hard to believe that fans, not even Derby fans, can say "you should be punished", "you'll have an embargo next year", "you'll get points deducted" when for one they haven't a clue about the structure of our transfer dealings or even about FFP itself. Fans just see the figures and assume.

It'll be tight as far as passing it goes just like last year but until we do fail then it's pretty pointless damning us.

I'd be surprised if we posted bigger losses than Leeds and Forest did when they balls'ed it up, taking the extra 7m into consideration obviously.

It's your second last paragraph that is the basis for everyone thinking you have gone over the limit. You and the other Derby fans all said last year that you were close to the limit, but not beyond it, when you spent £3m on Thorne.

I simply can't see a way that you can increase your income enough to cover £19m of deals (actually read it was £24m this morning) which also doesn't include any of the additional wages you have taken on, which will be huge, if you were tight on the limit last year. If you have found a way, then fair play, but simple maths tells you that it just doesn't work.

We aren't going around saying you should be punished (or at least I'm not, yet) but you don't have to assume anything to see than unless your attendances go up by 20,000, or you somehow actually qualified for the Champions League this year, your income won't go up by enough to cover the costs.

 

[Rammy]

As Morris said, we were one of the clubs who helped bring it in, we're not going to go ignore the rules. We'll be fine.

Do other clubs have sponsorships for literally everything? Is that how we bring in extra revenue compared to other clubs? We have a gazillion partners too. The tv's outside the stadium also bring in around £1m per year, to go alongside the 700k from iPro, the large sum from Just Eat, and the sponsorships and partnerships.

 

[MagpieBee]

As Morris said, we were one of the clubs who helped bring it in, we're not going to go ignore the rules. We'll be fine.

Do other clubs have sponsorships for literally everything? Is that how we bring in extra revenue compared to other clubs? We have a gazillion partners too. The tv's outside the stadium also bring in around £1m per year, to go alongside the 700k from iPro, the large sum from Just Eat, and the sponsorships and partnerships.

My problem isn't that you have other revenue streams, and I don't doubt you are one of the clubs with some of the highest revenue. It's that your owners said last year that you were very close to the limit. You had all these revenue streams last year, they haven't been added this year, so if you were close last year, you must be very far past it this year having spent £20m + wages.

 

[Rammy]

We didn't have Just Eat or the tv screens in the last accounts. The tv screens would have only covered their cost in the last set of accounts, and although Just Eat is our biggest ever shirt sponsorship money-wise, we don't know how much more that actually equates to.

P.S. We haven't spent £20m, we've spent £5m this year.

 

[Mansfield_Ram]

I think Mel Morris buying the club may have some impact on passing FFP because of the ownership value of it.

let's also not forget that we are under new rules this year, with Derby one of the ones who tried to stop it. Basically other teams voted to change it, we comply and then fans of those clubs complain?

Boro, sheff wed,Leeds & Boro to name just 4 clubs who have spent considerable amount of cash as well.

 

[JoshBCFC]

FFP IMO should never have been implemented, basically widens the distance between the top 4 in the BPL and everyone else.

I think Mel Morris buying the club may have some impact on passing FFP because of the ownership value of it.

let's also not forget that we are under new rules this year, with Derby one of the ones who tried to stop it. Basically other teams voted to change it, we comply and then fans of those clubs complain?

Boro, sheff wed,Leeds & Boro to name just 4 clubs who have spent considerable amount of cash as well.

Boro and Boro...

 

[Rammy]

Burnley too, despite Dyche's comments.

 

[Mansfield_Ram]

HA! missed Leeds and sheff wed as well. Also Bristol City bidding £8m was it for Gayle? Taking into account attendance and turnover etc that's the equivalent of £20m for us I think.

 

[Luke_1884]

You are right, I don't know much about your in-depth finances.

As MagpieBee says though, it's not hard to see that spending 19m in one transfer window and including your already astronomical wage bill shouldn't be sustainable.

I see Wolves and Derby as similarly sized clubs. For ourselves to sustain ourselves this summer we've had to sell our vice captain and player of the year Richard Stearman, and the best Wolves player I've seen in my lifetime in Bakary Sako just to be within the guidelines of FFP (sold Kevin Doyle who was a high earner too). We've brought in a couple of youngsters from other clubs. but the bulk of our entire squad has come through our academy. I'd even go as far as saying that we don't have a player on over 15k a week in wages, which for this league is pretty good. Hell we even had parachute payments until the end of last season.

What irritates me in contrast is how teams like Derby have just injected huge amounts of money to their squad over the last year or so in a desperate attempt of going up. Spending 19m in 3 months without selling anyone of value really shouldn't be sustainable in the 2nd tier. Your wage bill seemingly blows every other club out of the water. It's insulting to teams that do go about it the right way and live within their means. Say you wont go up this year, nothing will change and I wouldn't be surprised to see you throw another shit ton of money at promotion next season with no risk of being punished. QPR have set this benchmark.

Thats why FFP is a farce.

Thats the thing though, we haven't spent 19m this window. We've agreed deals that will eventually accumulate to 19 million. It's mine or your guess how many years it will take until 19 million has actually left DCFC's coffers.

I imagine you've only done that because you're owners haven't put any money in though? Otherwise why would you have to cost cut to fit the new rules (an extra 7m plus the current 6m allowed from owner cash injection).

I don't see why it's irritating mind, it's been happening years. It's happening at all levels. Even AFC Mansfield are doing it and they're about 7 divisions below! I doubt we'll see an investment like the one just passed unless we get promoted. If we don't go up and fail FFP we will definitely be punished.

It's your second last paragraph that is the basis for everyone thinking you have gone over the limit. You and the other Derby fans all said last year that you were close to the limit, but not beyond it, when you spent £3m on Thorne.

I simply can't see a way that you can increase your income enough to cover £19m of deals (actually read it was £24m this morning) which also doesn't include any of the additional wages you have taken on, which will be huge, if you were tight on the limit last year. If you have found a way, then fair play, but simple maths tells you that it just doesn't work.

We aren't going around saying you should be punished (or at least I'm not, yet) but you don't have to assume anything to see than unless your attendances go up by 20,000, or you somehow actually qualified for the Champions League this year, your income won't go up by enough to cover the costs.

Not to be pedantic but the deal for Thorne was undisclosed, rumored to be worth 2 million after our second bid of 1 million was rejected, is that 2 million upfront? I highly doubt it judging by our approach to other transfers under MM. Look how long the deals for Ince and Butterfield dragged out because of the lack of upfront cash being paid.

Our local rag have reported that 20 million pounds worth of fee's are spread out over 4 years and if that's the case it leaves 8 million pounds worth of losses for extra wages and operating costs that aren't covered by the income. When it's put that way is it too hard to believe?

I know you're not making those comments, there's plenty of them in this thread though. I'm definitely not saying we're going to cruise through FPP but I just find some comments annoying. I wouldn't be surprised if we fail it.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

Nicky Maynard & Tommy Smith training with the club

 

[Mansfield_Ram]

Thought forest were getting Maynard ?

 

[JJH]

 

[markwwfc1992]

Think Maynard would be a good signing, not sure about Tommy Smith though, surely he is past it?

Kevin Nolan would be a good signing for most teams in this league.

 

[hodge]

Think Maynard would be a good signing, not sure about Tommy Smith though, surely he is past it?

Kevin Nolan would be a good signing for most teams in this league.

I got slated on OTIB for suggesting him a while ago, then another thread was started a week later where people thought it was a good idea

 

[MagpieBee]

Think Maynard would be a good signing, not sure about Tommy Smith though, surely he is past it?

Kevin Nolan would be a good signing for most teams in this league.

Tommy Smith was an ok option off the bench last season, popped up with a couple of good performances and goals, but I wouldn't have him back, the bottom Championship clubs could do better I reckon.

I'd take Nolan, wouldn't really fit in with the playing style of the club, but would offer us a different option.

Even think Carlton Cole would be able to do a job as a sub.

 

[JoshBCFC]

I got slated on OTIB for suggesting him a while ago, then another thread was started a week later where people thought it was a good idea

OTIB in a nutshell.

Think Maynard would be a good signing, not sure about Tommy Smith though, surely he is past it?

Kevin Nolan would be a good signing for most teams in this league.

Not sure about Maynard, I have a slight feeling he'll flop. Hasn't played for ages because of injuries.

 

[BCFC David]

I'd take Cole over Maynard.

 

[JJH]

We have MK Dons at home next month - could be tasty if Maynard does sign.

 

[hodge]

We have MK Dons at home next month - could be tasty if Maynard does sign.

Has he been back to Ashton Gate yet?

 

[JJH]

Has he been back to Ashton Gate yet?

Yeah, for WHU a couple of months after he signed for them.

 

[Rammy]

Sky Sports seem to think we're leading the way for James Wilson. 20 enquiries in for him, with the loan window opening tomorrow.

Do we really need another attacking option?